So melee still sucks, can we get a comment from GGG?

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JahIthBerTirUmMalLumKoKoMal написал:

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Startkabels написал:

Reports me a thousand times if you like, the point is that it is not about "how to win the game".

In other words your approach is completely wrong: People want to try out other builds then your cookie cutter Marauder.

what is it about then? or do you want to just farm cruel fellshrine forever?

i just dont understand some ppls logic

It is about balance, your proven but boring default Marauder vision has nothing to do with balance but everything to do with "how to win".

There should not be a best way and at this point either that life/armor/granites/RT/Endurance Marauder or CI/ES Shadow builds are the best ways to play as melee.
For example: That physical crit melee Duelist I want to build? All the copy cats keep telling me that it is not viable? See what is wrong? Why is it not viable? Not enough defense they say.

Requesting every build to be endgame viable is a bit naive, isn't it? You always can put together stuff that doesn't work on this huge skill tree. Obviously there are builds working better than others, usually those that don't waste points and get the most effective nodes on the tree, i.e. optimised builds. By endgame I mean high level maps, getting through Merciless doesn't even require a great build, good builds will do the job. Same for gear, around 2.5-3k life, maxed resists and some armour should get you through the game on Anarchy/Standard without too much problems. If you play Onslaught/Hardcore, you are meant to play tanky there.

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Lord_of_Error написал:

Requesting every build to be endgame viable is a bit naive, isn't it? You always can put together stuff that doesn't work on this huge skill tree. Obviously there are builds working better than others, usually those that don't waste points and get the most effective nodes on the tree, i.e. optimised builds. By endgame I mean high level maps, getting through Merciless doesn't even require a great build, good builds will do the job. Same for gear, around 2.5-3k life, maxed resists and some armour should get you through the game on Anarchy/Standard without too much problems. If you play Onslaught/Hardcore, you are meant to play tanky there.

Yeah that is obvious stuff. So I am planning to build a Duelist with

-Shield block
-Life
-IR/Armor
-Crit
-Max resists
-Granites
-Enfeeble

People keep telling me it will not work and I should play as RT Marauder (You know, that boring build everybody uses)

Shield block + crit + life does not work because you have not enough skillpoints for that imo.

start as witch or shadow, go CI, then it may work. :)

you got a build url?

my new flicker ci shadow with claw + aegis, 6 power 5 frenzy charges.
6 auras, deter, grace, disc, anger, wrath, puritiy. IR.

22k flicker dps with not max no quality gems so far. im tanky, mobile, one shotting packs.
the next level i go for more shield block (Ranger) and radius of effect nodes (witch)

missing vaal pact and unweawring stance to be invicible. but i allready can facetank kole, piety, blacksmith ...



using the gear of my main ci power wander.

Right there, note that it's a Ranger but I am building it as a Duelist (both possible)

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/458894

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Startkabels написал:

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JahIthBerTirUmMalLumKoKoMal написал:

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Startkabels написал:

Reports me a thousand times if you like, the point is that it is not about "how to win the game".

In other words your approach is completely wrong: People want to try out other builds then your cookie cutter Marauder.

what is it about then? or do you want to just farm cruel fellshrine forever?

i just dont understand some ppls logic

It is about balance, your proven but boring default Marauder vision has nothing to do with balance but everything to do with "how to win".

There should not be a best way and at this point either that life/armor/granites/RT/Endurance Marauder or CI/ES Shadow builds are the best ways to play as melee.
For example: That physical crit melee Duelist I want to build? All the copy cats keep telling me that it is not viable? See what is wrong? Why is it not viable? Not enough defense they say.

you must be new to ARPG's, or never played d2, etc

There should not be a best way and at this point either that life/armor/granites/RT/Endurance Marauder or CI/ES Shadow builds are the best ways to play as melee. --> There will always be optimal builds and others that are left out by design choices, and there are other choices like cleave, lightning strike 2h, cyclone, splash builds.

yes i play to win and farm comfortably, not in threat of dying to a reflect mob or a dmg spike because I wanted to get way more dps than I really needed (not necessary guarantee either because screen dps takes into account the chance to hit, crit chance, crit multiplier) and gimp myself by choice.

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Startkabels написал:

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Lord_of_Error написал:

Requesting every build to be endgame viable is a bit naive, isn't it? You always can put together stuff that doesn't work on this huge skill tree. Obviously there are builds working better than others, usually those that don't waste points and get the most effective nodes on the tree, i.e. optimised builds. By endgame I mean high level maps, getting through Merciless doesn't even require a great build, good builds will do the job. Same for gear, around 2.5-3k life, maxed resists and some armour should get you through the game on Anarchy/Standard without too much problems. If you play Onslaught/Hardcore, you are meant to play tanky there.

Yeah that is obvious stuff. So I am planning to build a Duelist with

-Shield block
-Life
-IR/Armor
-Crit
-Max resists
-Granites
-Enfeeble

People keep telling me it will not work and I should play as RT Marauder (You know, that boring build everybody uses)

it will not work because you will be jack of all trades, master of none, and as specified before in detail, crit physical blows w/o SICK gear

if you want lots of crit, the amount of crit nodes needed will leave you vulnerable in terms of hp / defenses. And you want shield block too?> You mean max block? Forget it, might as well go RT believe me and everyone else who knows his stuff well.

And i'd like to know what you find exciting about crit tbh ... dying to reflect spike? Because crit is the only thing I see that differentiates you from the 'boring' RT mara.

and you treat RT maraduer as a build lol, its a keystone and a class. You can play with HS, glacial hammer, dual strike etc too. And take some nodes instead of others and have one thats more dps oriented, and one thats more tanky.

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Startkabels написал:

Right there, note that it's a Ranger but I am building it as a Duelist (both possible)

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/458894

i edited my first post, take a look.

your build is not a crit build tbh ;)

you need about 300% critchance in tree + 5 power charges or more to name this a critbuild.
you also have to use critgems to get in a range of 50-70% crits. also lots of accuracy.

@JahIthBerTirUmMalLumKoKoMal
Man I do not even finish reading your posts because you are so full of false assumptions:

-I was a hardcore D2 player
-Sure optimal builds, shouldn't mean alternatives are not viable
-I am not building for huge DPS output but planned mainly focusing on defense (again look at the build, no?)
-I am not planning for "Jack of all trades", focusing mainly on defense (build check, no?)
-Crit nodes are on the route (build check, no?)

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HeroOfExile написал:

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Startkabels написал:

Right there, note that it's a Ranger but I am building it as a Duelist (both possible)

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/458894

i edited my first post, take a look.

your build is not a crit build tbh ;)

you need about 300% critchance in tree + 5 power charges or more to name this a critbuild.
you also have to use critgems to get in a range of 50-70% crits. also lots of accuracy.

LOL: Oh noooo, this is starting to get funny

First that guy who tells me to go RT Marauder and now you telling me going CI Shadow.

BTW: I have around 220% increased crit chance based on passives only with this build....

dude ... do what you want. im just telling you that you have to go CI instead of life to get what you want.

you have obviously no idea about crit builds but i have.

78 la crit shadow
89 crit wander (with shield, tanky! 60% crits (still a bit low)
80 crit flicker (with shield, tanky! 72% crits)

so basically i play around with critbuilds since OB, also played CB.

you think 220% is enough, this marks you as a newb. no offense.