"This loot system is flawed and needs to change!!"

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Could you please stop that tiresome "It's not your loot" argument.
It's just not true.
1) A single player being able to click faster on items while his teammates die while fighting monsters did not "earn" that item.
2) If I'm the only witch in the party that witch-armor should be mine, but that doesn't work because people are a-holes. With instanced loot people would be more inclined to give me that item because the next monster might drop something they need. FFA just leads to the everything is mine attitude that is not healthy for a community.

All I want is a functioning party with random strangers rather than being penalized for not being a loner.

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tinghshi написал:

Why would you want competition in a party? The whole point of having parties is so that people can work together. This entire system makes no sense from its very roots.

It really is sad that you "hardcore" gamers think you are better than us. No we're not "casual" players. We're just players who have a different opinion on a subject. I love this game just as much as you, and like a challenge just as much. This is why I never complain about the game being hard. But having to compete in a party is simply ridiculous, and the only reason you think that it's the way it's "supposed to be" is because it was in Diablo 2. Well guess what? Diablo 2 doesn't define this genre. It was a great game, but it wasn't perfect. No game is. This is why games need to adapt and evolve. You people are just to ignorant to realize this.

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findangle написал:

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potaco написал:

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findangle написал:

the problem with simply "setting an option" that allows loot to be distributed more advantageously, is that doesn't actually present a new option for players who want it without removing the old option for players who want that. once you open up a method for players to satisfy their gear goal without trading, they have no reason to participate in trade. This need to participate in trade is what makes the other option attractive to those players.

you need a solution that prevents the disparity of wealth, without allowing players to satisfy their gear requirements completely outside of the intended trade mechanics.

How would such an option satisfy all of a player's gear requirements without trading any more so than the current system? The loot would still be random and would still be randomly assigned... you would just have more time to claim it.

because the system is partially balanced around the idea that you will not actually get to all the drops with your name on them in time and other players will swoop and scoop. if you started actually nailing "your" drops at a higher rate because of a longer timer, your going to end up with your drops sooner rather than later. later is what the game is presently built for.

you must also realize, people behave differently under time constraints (even reasonable ones) than they do without them. this is one of the reasons chess has a timer. if you have a much larger or infinite amount of time to stare and compare between whats in your bag and whats on the floor there is a much higher chance your going to take just the best gear and leave the rest to rot or get scooped.

there is a balance of gear that is expected to get vendor'ed or rot or end up in someones inventory not getting used, and when you start to mess with those numbers (by removing pressure from a players decision making for example) you lose efficiency in gear leaving the system/economy. now you must start re-adjusting drop rates (read: nerf) and mucking with award rotations to prevent people from increasing the rate at which they end up with their preferred gear configuration.

basically, it is the way it is to slow people down from getting to the min/maxed "best" gear configuration. yes it's a somewhat frustrating way of inhibiting this, but changing it would also mean adding new mechanics to make sure that it doesn't allow you to get into your preferred setup any faster.

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Zenn3k написал:

FFA loot just teaches new players the grouping = bad.

If you think the game is going to survive by teaching new players that playing with others is a bad idea, you're deluding yourself.


Replace "Timer" with "Lock", meaning that if an item drops with a set name on it (as current), it can only be picked up by that person.

That solves item theft on items that are suppose to be "yours".
It DOES NOT make loot instanced, and avoids all the problems related to that.
Better still, it helps encourage MULTIPLAYER.

Why should I group with other people if it means only getting 10% of loot I'd normally be getting? Besides some XP, which is really just about time spent...there is no honest benefit.

I don't want PoE to be a solo ONLY game, however, thats currently exactly what it is.

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Delmas написал:

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Zenn3k написал:

Delmas, you're an idiot.

1: If I solo, anything on the screen is "mine". It only STOP being "mine" when I introduce another player, so why should I EVER do that? Can you kindly answer that question? Why should I EVER group? Why? There is no benefit, only negatives.
2: Arrogance, pure arrogance. Skill in playing the game has NO relation to ability to click on items on the ground, kindly STFU.
3: Maybe, maybe not. It certainly does not help incoming revenue to allow anyone who attempts to play with others to have a bad experience.

1: Nothing when you solo is your until you pick it up. Good luck trading something without picking it up first.
2. Good players will get the loot before the timer runs out, I see no arrogance here.
3. I am starting to believe the game would, infact, be better without you

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Delmas написал:

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Zenn3k написал:

Delmas, you're an idiot.

1: If I solo, anything on the screen is "mine". It only STOP being "mine" when I introduce another player, so why should I EVER do that? Can you kindly answer that question? Why should I EVER group? Why? There is no benefit, only negatives.
2: Arrogance, pure arrogance. Skill in playing the game has NO relation to ability to click on items on the ground, kindly STFU.
3: Maybe, maybe not. It certainly does not help incoming revenue to allow anyone who attempts to play with others to have a bad experience.

1: Nothing when you solo is your until you pick it up. Good luck trading something without picking it up first.
2. Good players will get the loot before the timer runs out, I see no arrogance here.
3. I am starting to believe the game would, infact, be better without you. The way you talk, you simply joining another persons party will likely make it a bad experience for them