Stop spreading the Evasion vs Armor fallacy

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ScrotieMcB написал:

I googled both Warcraft III and WoW, didn't find anything. Maybe my Google skills are getting rusty... but for some reason I think you guys are talking about DoTA.

This link is to a DoTA site, but it specifically details how probability is handled in the Warcraft III engine.

http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7993

Thank you for this discussion everyone. I learned a shit load and why my level 40 shadow with 400 health constantly gets owned :P. I only made it that far because i play in a group but when i would try to solo I would get squashed in large groups. Act 2 in merc was pretty much impossible for me. It makes sense now. I had already figured health was a big issue but I guess i really need to read that mechanics thread. Been in beta since last Febuary and never really got a high level character and avoided mechanic discussions because I like discovering things on my own and I am paying for it by having to roll a new character heh.

Health is king tbh, the best builds when I was in CB were high life, life steal, life regen builds, they could tank most stuff.

I just made a more or less direct answer to this thread, but as I'm a bit of narcissistic prick I didn't like the idea of my post drowning on page 12 where only the most eager theorycrafters might dig it out. I'm looking forward to some good responses and hopefully some discussion :)

Link to thread:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/93008

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Artheon написал:

Or, far more direct: I love the idea of building a str/dex "duelist" ranger, but given the tastiness of acrobatics and arrow dodging, it's hard to justify heading southwest very early on. Is the idea of mixing low amounts of armor into a melee ranger via the str you get from the few available nodes a terrible one?

Might be I should post this in the Ranger forum really, particularly since I'm interested in possible builds and direction, but I think it has some relevance since I also wonder what the benefit of low values added to otherwise pure armor/dodge is.

The cost of travelling across the tree depends on what there is along the way. Try to plan a route towards the Duelist area that takes in some life, some useful bow or dual wield passives, and so on.

Arrow Dodging is not as uber on a hybrid character, but you still want it. Acrobatics is where the tough choices come in. Can you get 30%+ mitigation from Armour?

Thank you very much for the info!!

I have one question hopefully someone can answer. If I get arrow dodging, the chance of me dodging projectile attacks is doubled, but would it also double the chance to evade the crits from projectile attacks?

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edef написал:

I just made a more or less direct answer to this thread, but as I'm a bit of narcissistic prick I didn't like the idea of my post drowning on page 12 where only the most eager theorycrafters might dig it out. I'm looking forward to some good responses and hopefully some discussion :)

Link to thread:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/93008

All of your points are basically directly the opposite of mine. Evasion is not RNG, there are no "star alignments" that fuck evasion over, you either have enough health and evasion or you don't. The same is true for armor. If you lack life, neither defensive type is good.

OK, let me repost my suggestion here from another thread:

"I want evasion to give some evasion chance against stuns as well.
Pure armor chars can take keystone, we evasion chars don't have a real option for this. And it would help CI or high ES melee chars as well since they suffer from stun problems even more even with ES giving 50% chance to avoid stun."

And to add, it would also help hybrid AR/ES chars survive stuns. Those guys avoid hits less often and absorb a lot less and stun is probably the biggest problem.

People say evasion sucks because they dont know how to use it.

They instantly think that they will evade everything and just skip the stacking life part, WHICH EVERY ARMOR BUILD DOES.

that is all.

(take unwavering stance if you dont want to be stunned)

I've been reading it all up, and throughout it all I just keep finding myself thinking: If we go all the way to getting A/PA with 170% evasion without the eva hybrid nodes, along with 120+% or more maximum life increase with added elemental resistances, doesn't that mean that such a build would leave very little room for offensive capabilities?(thus possibly unviable without serious gear?)

I planned a ranger build based on the info I've tried to soak up from the discussions, and the only offensive nodes I've managed to get for myself were five 10% weapon elemental damage nodes with catalyse, and static blows. I'm still new though so I haven't even touched late game, I'm confused with this.