RIP Facebreaker, RIP! Chris joke or just hate FB?

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Krayken написал:

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Cataca написал:

I think the OP is referring to the general defensive nerfs. He might say "facbreakers got nerfed" but he means "my facebreaker is not as tanky as before".

At any rate, with the masters and the ability to craft flat damage on more than just rings/amulets, i'd recon that facebreakers actually got buffed, if anything.

Can we let this thread die now, please?

Ridiculous argument. FB needs unique belt, helm and gloves to begin with. Rings and Amulets already have flat phys damage. That leaves boots and shield to get those new masters flat phys damage upgrade. But most fb users also uses aegis and rainbowstride. Not to mention masters might not be able to craft flat phys on boots and shields.

But personally my FB toon seems to be improved in all area except resists with patch 1.2. More armor, life, ES and a tad more dps. I lose some resists and some spell block though.

I would not make that assumptions. BoR as one example or Abyssus gives 40-60 it is fairly hard to top this, but BoR only offers 20-30 the roll you can craft on armor-pieces seems to be 7-12, which you can place on so rolling it on 3 items tops BoR already and allows a chest-piece. I also wouldn't be too surprised if we would actually see CI-Facebreaker Builds, since the Shadow-Start would make this easier than it was before while still providing good offense.

So I'm a bit unsure if we should focus too much on the old FB-Builds, since the new tree opens up a few more possibilities. With Meginords, Aegis, BoR and FB the build was really focussed on certain uniques limiting flexibility. But due to the increase in Block-Nodes I'm not sure if BoR is still required that much. Ranger and Shadow together offer 27% increased Blockchance.



That's just something I put together for a Shadow. It is incredible easy to get all the good things on this side, and the ranger offers a lot Life-Nodes too. The only real issue is RT, but I guess this could be fixed by taking more of the scion part and the Marauder start instead of going towards Duelist-Stuff. Maybe all the Dex on this side even is enough to provide a fair accuracy.

I'm completly uncertain how old FB-chars cope with the patch, but I can't see FB being dead just because the general defensive stats are lower (for basically all chars) and because the duelist lost 4% increased physical damage.

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Poutsos написал:

FB was always inferior to more expensive builds.

fb was bad always, they never was good or fine. In 1.2 fb gonna be even more useless and more weaker than now, its big nerf for fb dmg and defensive.
Also in 1.2 mara get wrecked hard and nerfed a lot, even worse than duelist. Each and every node buffed in each class exept mara and duelis area.
Thats well balanced meta game, now st and crits even more mandatory and insanely stronger than with snapshot and bugged uniques. Check fyndel thread for proves.
bad game ggg, maybe some lessons from blizzard will help you fix game.

btw, rt officialy called poor and trash users node! You must be crits and faceroll game with 1 button or take rt and farm one white monster in sarn 30-50 min - nice new meta ggg.

No it was not bad always. During anarchy it was the best cheap build in the game. It was actually THE ONLY build that could run 77 maps effectively with 10 ex budget consistently. Of course it was inferior to more expensive builds, rightfully so. But there was absolutely no need to nerf it.

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Wooser69 написал:

It's a vagan mod, so you put it on weapons, supposedly.

This doesn't make sense though. Unarmed damage applies when you have no weapon equipped but you would have to have a weapon equipped if Vegan crafted it on weapons...

Is vagan Weapon and Shield? I could see that mod go on a shield.

There is no way they would (in their right mind) put it on a shield since it would stack with facebreaker at that point...and would also stack with the legacy one as well. And they felt that they had to nerf it and make a legacy since it's old stats were considered gamebreaking so the thought of double dipping these mods is quite insane if it happens since both are more multipliers instead of increased.

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Wooser69 написал:

It's a vagan mod, so you put it on weapons, supposedly.

wouldnt it be completely irrational, to have to use/equip a weapon for an unarmed build? It CAN not be a local mod to make any sense. (beside the chance to be able to just "ignore" the equipped weapon slot, which would be a slightly hard change in the mechanics)

So, now we all can see how hard GGG nerfed Facebreakers!
Defense ruined, dps ruined, mara/duelis/templar ruined, crits >>>>>>>>>> FB, etc

Well done GGG


RIP Facebreaker, RIP!

Requiescat in pace (rest in peace) facebreaker builds, you was fine, but still get nerf many times and now died. It was unfair, but balance team of ggg decided to kill you, sad.

Lets make low life crits? Or crits bow? Or crits something?

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Helpmegod написал:

So, now we all can see how hard GGG nerfed Facebreakers!
Defense ruined, dps ruined, mara/duelis/templar ruined, crits >>>>>>>>>> FB, etc

Well done GGG


RIP Facebreaker, RIP!

O.o

I leveled with Facebreaker... the damage is still insane and I didn't pick up any damage-nodes. Actually when I switched to Rightous Fire it felt kinda bad.

With just some leveling gear my char already had 12k DPS. It was the only char that simply destroyed all bosses (I actually was never able to kill Cruel and Merciless Dominus just on my way while leveling, I always had to either grind a bit).

There was one single change... that is 7% reduced Melee Physical Damage on one node. My Char already has about 200% increased HP at lvl65 and if I switch the Fire-Damage passivs for Melee Physical ones at the Marauder-Start thats insane damage-boost. Not to mention that Herald of Ash is a nice buff as well.

Although to be fair. I hope that everybody feels that facebreaker isn't viable anymore... this would mean I could upgrade my 700% Facebreakers maybe even to legacy ones for cheap to further increase my DPS. It is likely that the build runs into issues with high elemental damage... like uhm... any other build.

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Emphasy написал:

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Great, did you ever see maps? Or just cruel and merc? also 12k dps a lot for you? That must be joke or you high? Maybe you hear about gazillion dps builds? did you ever see how atziri looks like? what is mortal hope... or better what is midnight? Pff 12k dps a lot... wow thats funny, next time open forum and see builds and mid lvl dps.

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Emphasy написал:

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Great, did you ever see maps? Or just cruel and merc? also 12k dps a lot for you? That must be joke or you high? Maybe you hear about gazillion dps builds? did you ever see how atziri looks like? what is mortal hope... or better what is midnight? Pff 12k dps a lot... wow thats funny, next time open forum and see builds and mid lvl dps.

I'm totally aware of Atziri, the thing though is, I leveled with FB... well always. And with the new Patch I'm able to level a lot longer with it since it does more damage than before.

The Damage for FB has gotten a lot better with the patch and the survivability hits aren't different to any other Melee-Build (actually FB still has access to block, so it is better than 2h-builds.

And yes 12k DPS with a 4l and just leveling-equipment is insanely high. Using Abyssus would likely improved it by 5-6k and the char had not a single point invested in damage-nodes (well Fire-Damage). Also I hadn't skilled Resolute Technique which was a huge damage-loss.

I assume it is fairly easy to get 50k+ which is enough to do Atziri, with a 6l you might even be able to top that. I will likely do a FB-Char later, however the only thing that limits its ability to kill Atziri is the rather low mobility and I'm still unsure how to best work around this.

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/934466/page/1

Just check this duelist-build out. It is one of the cheapest Atziri-Farm builds with between 20k to 30k DPS. Without crits (and unarmed attacks can't crit) damage scaling has its limits, but 20k is fine for most stuff, the only issue is likely Uber Atziri and some terrifying boss-mods.

The Old FB-Builds still all work the same. You gain some damage (exspecially due to HoA), stay about equal with life and lose the Max-Resist. It is mainly a small investment in time to brainstorm a new tree. And still nobody was able to actually say why FB was nerfed so hard? It is far easier to get block-chance now (resulting in many people using Abyssus over BoR), you get another Selfbuff increasing your damage, base-life rises while the marauder-area still has a lot of good Life-Nodes.

I just can't see how any FB-Build is nerfed compared to other builds. Exspecially since the changes to the passiv tree opened up more starting-positions then just the marauder.

My respecced facebreaker duelist does exacly the same dps as before. Actually even more now with herald of ash.

Also my life is much higher now. 5800 before fm now 6200. Armour is higher too.

This thread is nothing but nonsense gibberish. 8 pages of it. From people with absolutely no clue what they write.