[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

Is adding Increased Duration to Cast when Damage Taken + Immortal Call worth it?

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Ardo86 написал:

Is adding Increased Duration to Cast when Damage Taken + Immortal Call worth it?

For a Witch, I'd say no - as you're using a 4L to do IC and both golems. Manually casting one and keeping em straight so both are out and blah blah blah... it's just a pain in the butt.

Leveled IC + endurance charges is plenty.

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cmbyrd00 написал:

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Ardo86 написал:

Is adding Increased Duration to Cast when Damage Taken + Immortal Call worth it?

For a Witch, I'd say no - as you're using a 4L to do IC and both golems. Manually casting one and keeping em straight so both are out and blah blah blah... it's just a pain in the butt.

Leveled IC + endurance charges is plenty.

Thanks for your response! What about boss fights (with no endurance charges)? Is the Immortal Call extra duration from Increased Duration worth it (0.4s -> 0.7s)?

The gem levels i see on you prophecy gear have to be the same otherwise they wont work effectively right? I respeced from dual pizzasticks and tried it for a short time yesterday, couldn't get the leech to work. Have to put more hours into transition and learning the build. Do you have any reccomendations about my gear atm ? (broke with currency tho)

Thanks for the awsome build !

can anyone answer the jewel question ive been holding off buying anything cause I'm not sure how a 16% spell damage and 12% spell damage with staff is better then a 22+% cold and fire damage turmoil am I missing something?

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gradinarcho написал:

can anyone answer the jewel question ive been holding off buying anything cause I'm not sure how a 16% spell damage and 12% spell damage with staff is better then a 22+% cold and fire damage turmoil am I missing something?

it is not. to assess jewels, do the following:

add up all values of

cold damage
fire damage
spell damage
spell damage while holding a staff
damage
area damage
intelligence

the sum of these values is the "score" of a jewel. whatever jewel has the higher score is better. if jewels have the same score, prefer the one with higher int.

izaros turmoil has a score between 36 and 50. good rare jewels have a score of 42-44 and above. finding a rare jewel that really beats a well-rolled izaros is very hard.

Okay so i got most of the gear that is reccomended in the build. I am trying to follow step by step, but still struggling with the leech. I guess it's because of the low dmg? Is this because of the gems not being all lvl 20 ? Right now i can clear T10 maps if i play safe, but i don't see any leech at all.. :/
What can i do to make this build work? I've put many hours and alot (i mean aloooooot) of currency in it...

My gear: (dont mind the life flask, haven't gotten any other to remove bleed since i just respecced)



EDIT: I LITERALLY AM AN IDIOT. i DIDN'T HAVE GHOST REAVER POINT TAKEN. Going to see if that makes things better.

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MrWestons написал:

Okay so i got most of the gear that is reccomended in the build. I am trying to follow step by step, but still struggling with the leech. I guess it's because of the low dmg? Is this because of the gems not being all lvl 20 ? Right now i can clear T10 maps if i play safe, but i don't see any leech at all.. :/
What can i do to make this build work? I've put many hours and alot (i mean aloooooot) of currency in it...

My gear: (dont mind the life flask, haven't gotten any other to remove bleed since i just respecced)

EDIT: I LITERALLY AM AN IDIOT. i DIDN'T HAVE GHOST REAVER POINT TAKEN. Going to see if that makes things better.

:DDD You made my day, bro!!! It wont just make things better, it will make this build work as it's supposed to, of course the leech is gonna be huge :)

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MrWestons написал:

EDIT: I LITERALLY AM AN IDIOT. i DIDN'T HAVE GHOST REAVER POINT TAKEN. Going to see if that makes things better.

loool! I was already wondering how on earth this build could not feel "leechy". this is the answer. but dont worry, something like that even happens to the best of us from time to time. ;-)

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FasterBetter написал:

whats the best color/gems for the helm?

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omgbbqwtflol написал:

Loving the build, looking for a recommendation on what to gear up first. I've modified the tree slightly to get more ES, currently around 9.2k.

Unless you are playing in HC, grabbing extra %ES nodes is a mistake. Int is much better. It gives you base damage and ES too. 1500 Int = 300% inc ES

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sufferot написал:

Thank you for the guide! now, finnaly, i can feel myself usefull. I have this gear and hopping around 8k ES and 6-7k tooltip damage of the icestorm. Can you say, what I need to upgrade in this gear ASAP?

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Nothing. Your gear is good for everything. Just finish leveling the gems, you are almost there. And what's up with the Lavianga flask? :)

I can't see why your ES is only 8k with this gear though. Probably some weak jewels, or maybe just not high enough level yet, some sockets still to get.

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Messiah_sin_x написал:

Which end game grinds are the easiest to accomplish, from what I've seen in his videos, Uber Izaro is quite easy, some of the shaper's guardians can be easily tanked but Idk about the other ones, I don't like doing Atziri's, seems like it requires much preparations taking you out of your comfort zone and you also have to move a lot.

In this league, forget about the endgame grind challenge. It's not going to happen unless you are willing to absolutely NoLife it. You can easily do T16, Uber Lab and Atziri, with some time investment. But they want you to do one more. And that's where it gets retarded. You can roflstomp the lv 70 Rigwald (the talisman one), the Pale Council or any breachlords. But getting the sets to do them 100 times over?? Fuck that. Even if you can find some rotations (I've seen people spamming /global 820 for hours looking for them) it's still insane. I already posted everything I think about this league, not going to repeat it all here, but IMO GGG went too far this time.

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gradinarcho написал:

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cmbyrd00 написал:

Your gloves have an armor craft on em for some reason. Try to find someone with a level 7 Haku who can strip that off and put flat ES on them. Won't be much, but should wind up with about 30 more ES on them. Every bit helps (=

haha I did that cause op did that I thought it was to help with getting 3 red sockets on the gloves but seems to not help haha

Haha, no, I crafted armor on the gloves just because I had an empty prefix and those gloves were not good enough to YOLO Exalt. It was either +life (slightly reduced chance of getting frozen/shocked) or +armor (slightly increased physical hit mitigation). I was more worried about T16 with +dmg mods than about freeze/shock, so I picked armor. But it's almost nothing.

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Capozzi написал:

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gradinarcho написал:

tried minotaur he whooped my ass I gues 5.8k es isn't enough lol and I guess cwdt/ic set it really is needed

also I think being a serker sucks I'm gonna assume witch is much better

Berserker version does not suck. That huge leech is not to be underestimated, nor is the free stun immunity. And the 40% more damage is, well, also huge. The little boosts to movement speed and attack speed also really help with quality of life too.

You've also got a few more free skill points if you go Berserker (at least early on) since you don't need to path down to Unwavering Stance. And thanks to Brute Force, those early points at the Marauder start mostly work in your favor (and are damned nice to have before you make the switch to CI/WI at 39).

Biggest suck for the class was getting blue skill gems, and that was basically solved with the changes to Siosa in the Library in 2.6.

And did I mention that huge leech?

TL;DR: Witch version isn't much better.

Berserker also gets more power from The Wise Oak. He has the highest tooltip of all versions (thanks to the 40% MORE dmg node), but he lacks resist penetration. So when he gets that extra penetration, that MORE damage really kicks in.

And of course with 5.8k ES you will get roflstomped by Minotaur as either class.

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gradinarcho написал:

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Capozzi написал:

Marauder should run Chaos golem.

so cwdt+ic+chaos golem? guess 2 red 1 blue would be easyer to get on gloves

The guide for the Berserker version is just as detailed as the Elementalist one. It's all there.

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huyakf1997 написал:

Tri curse is not the core mechanic of this build right ? So i can just replace the doedre ring with the rare one ?

If you don't plan on farming T16/Shaper you don't really need 3 curses and can trade one for more DPS (either by swapping the ring or by dropping Whispers of Doom). But if you do want to farm the endgame then 3 curses will save your ass a lot more than a little extra damage or ES.

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gradinarcho написал:

also someone said a rare jewel with say 12% spell damage and 16% spell damagae with a staff is better then turmoil?

No, it's not. 28% inc dmg is worse than even the lowest roll Izaro's.