[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

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coLBeef написал:

2) Why does the build require them CWDT to stay at level 1? I understand Ball Lightning level 4 because that is max level that lvl 1 CWDT will work. I believe that this is because CWDT scales poorly and we don't care about the damage from Ball Lightning, only the crit trigger? In this case, higher level CWDT will work, just poorly.

CWDT lv 1 requires only 528 damage to trigger. Higher levels take more damage and trigger less often.

I'd first like to say thank you for the build! One of the most powerful I've ever played.

I did have a question on gear. I know every rare piece of gear pretty much must have INT, ES, and resists. What about life? At that point isn't life ES since it's converted to ES anyway? For example:

Crystal Belt
+68 max ES
+83 life
+41 ES
+resists

Isn't the total ES 192 here or am I completely wrong?

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Mirkocrocop написал:

I'd first like to say thank you for the build! One of the most powerful I've ever played.

I did have a question on gear. I know every rare piece of gear pretty much must have INT, ES, and resists. What about life? At that point isn't life ES since it's converted to ES anyway? For example:

Crystal Belt
+68 max ES
+83 life
+41 ES
+resists

Isn't the total ES 192 here or am I completely wrong?

Where did you get that we're converting Life to ES?

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Levirael написал:

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Mirkocrocop написал:

I'd first like to say thank you for the build! One of the most powerful I've ever played.

I did have a question on gear. I know every rare piece of gear pretty much must have INT, ES, and resists. What about life? At that point isn't life ES since it's converted to ES anyway? For example:

Crystal Belt
+68 max ES
+83 life
+41 ES
+resists

Isn't the total ES 192 here or am I completely wrong?

Where did you get that we're converting Life to ES?

Oh boy I had a feeling I was wrong. I guess I thought the skill that makes your health 1 then takes that health you had into ES ...

First of all, thank you for your sharing this build to us...
After the pacht 3.0, what will we do for ES changing. As you know, "combination of the life leech to ES instantly" will not work anymore (most importantly). Playing this build was very very much fun and i want to play again in new league too. Please, share with us, when you do the new version of the passive tree.

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OldmanIce написал:

First of all, thank you for your sharing this build to us...
After the pacht 3.0, what will we do for ES changing. As you know, "combination of the life leech to ES instantly" will not work anymore (most importantly). Playing this build was very very much fun and i want to play again in new league too. Please, share with us, when you do the new version of the passive tree.

The current idea is Life/MoM, starting with the Berserker class. I've been trying it on Beta and in Standard. There are some more details in the Marauder version thread.

Beta Wizerker Test 1

It's a bit less safe with 4k life than it was with 10k ES, but my gear and levels aren't quite there yet either. And Beta sucks in general, a real league should be more fun.

Hi there. Is there any change to replace Scorching Ray with something else? I'm aware that is key to this build, but I just hate it. I'm perfectly fine losing some dps for a different, yet viable skill. Thanks a bunch!

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xour написал:

Hi there. Is there any change to replace Scorching Ray with something else? I'm aware that is key to this build, but I just hate it. I'm perfectly fine losing some dps for a different, yet viable skill. Thanks a bunch!

I suppose you can use Incinerate instead of Scorching Ray. Or Blight (but that would contribute absolutely nothing). Or simply self-cast Icestorm like in the old times before CwC (replace SR and CwC with two DPS gems; but you will need Enlighten and Deep Thoughts to sustain mana).

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Kelvynn написал:

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OldmanIce написал:

First of all, thank you for your sharing this build to us...
After the pacht 3.0, what will we do for ES changing. As you know, "combination of the life leech to ES instantly" will not work anymore (most importantly). Playing this build was very very much fun and i want to play again in new league too. Please, share with us, when you do the new version of the passive tree.

The current idea is Life/MoM, starting with the Berserker class. I've been trying it on Beta and in Standard. There are some more details in the Marauder version thread.

Beta Wizerker Test 1

It's a bit less safe with 4k life than it was with 10k ES, but my gear and levels aren't quite there yet either. And Beta sucks in general, a real league should be more fun.

i understand that we will not use this build with CI anymore, pls correct me if i am wrong.
That Marauder build looks good, pls share us more detail (passive tree) when you finish the build, and how you solve the chaos resistance problem without CI.

And also , i wonder that what CI builds will do without ES (vaal pact & ghost reaver).

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OldmanIce написал:

i understand that we will not use this build with CI anymore, pls correct me if i am wrong.
That Marauder build looks good, pls share us more detail (passive tree) when you finish the build, and how you solve the chaos resistance problem without CI.

And also , i wonder that what CI builds will do without ES (vaal pact & ghost reaver).

Correct. The new version is Life-based, it doesn't use CI. I don't see a good way to survive while tanking as a ES based build anymore. Non-instant ES leech sucks. All post-nerf ES based builds I've seen are either not facetanking or not viable in high tiers. Maybe somebody will come up with something eventually, but I haven't seen a good solution yet.

Chaos damage is a factor now. You just need to get used to dealing with it. You can get 20% chaos res from the tree, and some more from gear (if you are lucky, it's way too rare). Chaos damage is tuned with little-to-none resistance in mind, it's never as big as elemental damage. There are only a few notable cases where you may want to bring a flask.

I'll update the Berserker before the 3.0 release, of course. Still experimenting.