The Litany of reasons that Melee sucks

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allbusiness написал:

It doesn't take but literally 5 seconds to command spawn a level 90 character with a Kaoms Heart and spec his tree to a bout 8k to 10k life and see that they can instantly die to any of the tier 15/tier 16 bosses. That's not 'unforseen consequences' or some shit, that's just GGG being lazy as fuck.

W T F

GGG wants those area to be dangerous, and if it was like you described, no one would have even reached shaper in HC at all : this is NOT the case.
I don't doubt that it hurts, it just is most likely intended.

AW FB isn't cheesy.
Chieftan's taunt is was another story maybe, but even with those totems, you still get to dodge the beam, the balls, and the slam, plus take care of the clone, etc .....
Shaper ain't just a boss that has nothing else than autohit and ignores you if you put taunting totems.
Want a real cheese ? Take the build that afk face tank it, THAT is what cheesing content is.
Having that in the game and calling taunting totems cheesy beyond belief is so ridiculous ...


This has derailed too much already, to nowhere.
Those problems are regarding melees, not totems.


PS : Invasion was one of the more interesting league I have ever played, and from the first week.
Some of the bosses were overtuned still.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Последняя редакция: Fruz#6137. Время: 17 окт. 2016 г., 15:02:07
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Fruz написал:
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allbusiness написал:

It doesn't take but literally 5 seconds to command spawn a level 90 character with a Kaoms Heart and spec his tree to a bout 8k to 10k life and see that they can instantly die to any of the tier 15/tier 16 bosses. That's not 'unforseen consequences' or some shit, that's just GGG being lazy as fuck.

W T F

GGG wants those area to be dangerous, and if it was like you described, no one would have even reached shaper in HC at all : this is NOT the case.
I don't doubt that it hurts, it just is most likely intended.

AW FB isn't cheesy.
Chieftan's taunt is was another story maybe, but even with those totems, you still get to dodge the beam, the balls, and the slam, plus take care of the clone, etc .....
Shaper ain't just a boss that has nothing else than autohit and ignores you if you put taunting totems.
Want a real cheese ? Take the build that afk face tank it, THAT is what cheesing content is.
Having that in the game and calling taunting totems cheesy beyond belief is so ridiculous ...


This has derailed too much already, to nowhere.
Those problems are regarding melees, not totems.


PS : Invasion was one of the more interesting league I have ever played, and from the first week.
Some of the bosses were overtuned still.




It's not just Shaper, the vast majority of the other newer bosses were way overtuned from the start, and all it took was a simple one boss fight test to see if they were broken. 75% reflect on Race Course boss? The auto detonate dead after you kill the first form of the boss? The other rippy ass bosses too scattered throughout various tiers? Wouldn't take literally but 1 boss fight to tell you the fight is overtuned.

And Chieftan Taunt was cheesy as fuck, that's why they nerfed it mid league because it was breaking the game. Saying AW Chieftan wasn't cheesing is just asinine, no way Ziz pulls that off without abusing taunt.

Oh lord, one of you people who think Invasion was interesting. Because randomly getting one shot from the corner of the screen was fun.

My complaint is that it's like they didn't even actually play against the bosses. At all. Literally. Which was exactly the problem with Invasion league in the first place, and that was years ago.
Последняя редакция: allbusiness#6050. Время: 17 окт. 2016 г., 16:33:24
Race course boss was probably better with 75% than now 15% tbh, 30% would have been nice eventually, 15% is just stupidly pointless.

You are freaking missing the point that I have been repeating the whole time, good job.


And no, if you had seen Ziz kill the shaper, you would understand that it's nothing like cheesing compared to BV Pathfinder.

For some other boss only base on auto-attack, maybe you could called it cheesed.
But since Shaper is THE boss, GGG would rather not have it being taunted I guess.


And yeah, the feeling in invasion league was one of the best, by far.
Some of the bosses were a bit overtuned ( there were technical problems too ), Ossecati was shitting on melees, Cintiq and Kamaq had a bit too much dps, but the feeling in invasion was just priceless, on of the bests.
And GG by over exagerrating one more time, you seem to be good at that.


They said in the past that they would rather have bosses too strong that too weak on release, probably because they want people to feel scared, so some are a bit overtuned no doubt.
The crazy damage scaling in this game IS a freaking problem, and it also applies somewhat to high maps not too I guess.

Oh an btw, why have you not been QQing about decoy totem from the very start ?
So much cheese everywhere you know ...
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Последняя редакция: Fruz#6137. Время: 18 окт. 2016 г., 02:22:14
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Fruz написал:
Race course boss was probably better with 75% than now 15% tbh, 30% would have been nice eventually, 15% is just stupidly pointless.

You are freaking missing the point that I have been repeating the whole time, good job.


And no, if you had seen Ziz kill the shaper, you would understand that it's nothing like cheesing compared to BV Pathfinder.

For some other boss only base on auto-attack, maybe you could called it cheesed.
But since Shaper is THE boss, GGG would rather not have it being taunted I guess.


And yeah, the feeling in invasion league was one of the best, by far.
Some of the bosses were a bit overtuned ( there were technical problems too ), Ossecati was shitting on melees, Cintiq and Kamaq had a bit too much dps, but the feeling in invasion was just priceless, on of the bests.
And GG by over exagerrating one more time, you seem to be good at that.


They said in the past that they would rather have bosses too strong that too weak on release, probably because they want people to feel scared, so some are a bit overtuned no doubt.
The crazy damage scaling in this game IS a freaking problem, and it also applies somewhat to high maps not too I guess.

Oh an btw, why have you not been QQing about decoy totem from the very start ?
So much cheese everywhere you know ...



Fruz back to the god worship of Chris Wilson and GGG again.


If you can't tell that GGG has no fucking clue how to balance their own game I don't know what to tell you. The fact that they just made Shaper immune to taunting (even though taunting was overpowered and cheesy as shit) just shows that they are too lazy to come up with any alternatives. There are countless of examples of GGG basically having no fucking clue what they are doing for years now, and yet they haven't made a single ounce of improvement in their balancing effort. Considering Neon's knowledge of the game, I'm willing to bet it has alot to do with other people on the team, because I'd wager that Neon knows that some of this shit is way overtuned, it's just other people don't listen to him.

And yes, everyone knew decoy totem was broken from day 1. Where have you been, that shit was broken forever. It's like how everyone was freaking out about Frostwall + LA when people like Xenderen and me have been doing it way before it became meta.


Oh yes, over exaggerating about Invasion league. Because getting one shot by frostwalls, Ch'aska rain from off screen, Metal Smith casting totems from miles away, etc. was lots of fun.
Последняя редакция: allbusiness#6050. Время: 18 окт. 2016 г., 18:27:37
If you cannot tell that they mostly know what they are doing and part of what you are qqing is by design, I don't know what to tell you.
If you cannot tell that you are missing a good 80% of the picture when talking about those things, I don't know what to tell you either.

But obviously there is a lot of work to do on the balance, but you are over-exaggerating a lot, like many others.

Their alternatives would need tome to design, and test ( because ideally, you need to test it against the majority of the content ), when they might have their hands full with other things that we do not know ( a5 ? ).
I wish that the balance team had more time too, but that's how it is.

So yeah, this is some kind of bandage, not a final well designed solution.

Decoy is very strong, there are many things in this game that could be considered "broken" before thinking about decoy ....


So much salt ...
Yes, invasion was really fun.
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.
Последняя редакция: Fruz#6137. Время: 19 окт. 2016 г., 01:10:21
Actually, Racecource boss telegraphs his reflect. He channels for few seconds with bright yellow glow, and it's hard to miss. The only thing they should've added, is a clear visual effect, indicating his reflect is still up.

The the real problem is, players get too addicted to faceroll oneshot mapsclear, and when GGG adds something like that, all those idiots get crushed. BTW, even boss' name is appropriate - "crusher of gladiators".
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I miss Zana already.
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MortalKombat3 написал:
Actually, Racecource boss telegraphs his reflect. He channels for few seconds with bright yellow glow, and it's hard to miss. The only thing they should've added, is a clear visual effect, indicating his reflect is still up.

The the real problem is, players get too addicted to faceroll oneshot mapsclear, and when GGG adds something like that, all those idiots get crushed. BTW, even boss' name is appropriate - "crusher of gladiators".

Pretty much.
75% was maybe too high, 30% would have been nice imho.
A sound going with the effect would be awesome too, but now that the effect is kinda pointless. w/e ..............
SSF is not and will never be a standard for balance, it is not for people entitled to getting more without trading.

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