make vendoring a 5L give an orb of annulment.

I found one annul and have a tab full of 5Ls in Abyss, so that recipe would be "overpowered". It looks like annulments are more rare than exalts or divines (1 vs 4 vs 5 for me so far in Abyss).

But a few fusings would be a nice recipe for vendoring a 5L

I personally have nearly 500 Flora's Gift's.God knows how many other have.Annuls would flood the market.

You have to consider the balance of Annulments with shaped / elder items. These items are often worse than others because you can roll bad mods along with the powerful ones. But what if you can chaos spam until you get the socket supports you like and annul the useless mods? Perfect shaped items in a matter of weeks. Plus an Orb of Annulment is currently worth 5c in ASC, but getting a white bad base with 5L is not even worth 1c otherwise.

Annulment shards, I could agree on. 2 or 3 at most. Otherwise we'd both get an inflation of the orbs and the useless 5L items would be worth way more than 6s ones (6s ones have been more common in my experience, but still, even if I agree that 5L should be worth something, not quite that much).

I think 5L should give OShitIts5Linstead6LAgain Orb.

5L items aren't just more rare than 6S items, but they're more useful too. It's illogical that they're not associated with any vendor recipes. I approve of this thread.

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DER_PSYCHOPATH написал:

You have to consider the balance of Annulments with shaped / elder items. These items are often worse than others because you can roll bad mods along with the powerful ones. But what if you can chaos spam until you get the socket supports you like and annul the useless mods? Perfect shaped items in a matter of weeks. Plus an Orb of Annulment is currently worth 5c in ASC, but getting a white bad base with 5L is not even worth 1c otherwise

The thing is, annuls aren't what gates the ability to roll shaped/elder items, their rarity doesn't need to be tuned around that. Exalts are the gate there. They're much more expensive, and exalts are essentially required to make items like that possible... annulling off a bad mod does nothing if you're not going to replace it, after all. Having *more* annuls around doesn't really change the top-of-the-line potential if access to exalts is still the same. But it does make more of the dropped rares and whatnot potentially usable.

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Shppy написал:

The thing is, annuls aren't what gates the ability to roll shaped/elder items, their rarity doesn't need to be tuned around that. Exalts are the gate there. They're much more expensive, and exalts are essentially required to make items like that possible... annulling off a bad mod does nothing if you're not going to replace it, after all. Having *more* annuls around doesn't really change the top-of-the-line potential if access to exalts is still the same. But it does make more of the dropped rares and whatnot potentially usable.

*cough* master crafting *cough*

Mass Annulments = You can annul literally every shaped item.

There are hundreds of shaped items that have one or two good mods, but the rest suck. So why are they sold at 1 alc instead of having master crafted mods that would make them better than existing items? Because not all the slots are free.

You will not be successful with your Annulments on every single item. Let's say you need 5 items with 3 mods you need to annul each time.

Current cost: 75c. Cost after every 1c 5L turns into an orb of annulment: 15c.

Even if master Crafting costs 2 ex + mod costs, to reduce the price at which you can get bases for it by 80% seems to be a little over the top.

between my guild (5 daily players), we have found 12 exalts and 18 divine....... 1 annul

5L items are rarer drops by far than 6S... But yeah, it's been a sore spot that 5S/5L items have zero vendor value beyond the potential for the RGB Chromatic.

I'd previously held that fusings would be a natural option; going on the average odds, vendoring a 6S nets you 1.7% of the Vorici cost to produce it... By the same logic, vendoring a 5L should be worth 2.5 fusings or so; I'd suggested 2 fusings before, though an Annul also works. It drops FAR too rarely. (I've seen just one in the 150-ish maps I've run since 3.1 came out... Which is less than the two exalts I've seen drop)

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TheAnuhart написал:

That's probably going to make them too accessible, I think (the last time I had 5Ls showing was before filters and I'd see ave 5 per day back then and loot levels exploded since).

I also don't think they are quite as rare as you are thinking.


I've found 4 annuls so far in 3.1, only 1 divine and no exalts.

However, I do seem to be in one of those strange drought periods for exalts and/or divines that come and go so my personal sample ratio is most definitely wrong.

Tbh at least to me, they feel pretty rare. As of 3.1 ive found like 7 exalts, 2 divines (+1 from a 6l) and just 1 annul. Most of that happened on my MF windripper. GGG needs to either buff the drop ratio or give us some kind of a vendor recipe.