They actually managed to do worse than bestiary

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I_NO написал:

Embarrassing if a summoner is struggling end game straight up

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allbusiness написал:

Again, if you can't clear Incursions in maps, then your build just isn't very good and is absolutely wheel chair status.

my god. you 3 (perq/snorkle, whichever the 3rd was this thread) post so much in constant defense, but you CLEARLY don't even read what you're defending.

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robmafia написал:

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Nomancs написал:

If you want me to write it again: you start with build 5 and turn it at some point to build 3 because it scales better since that moment. THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT INTERESTING, SKILL A IS BETTER AT SOME POINT AND SKILL B IS BETTER LATER. You want to make all builds equal, so why different builds if there is no diference, lets make just one for everyone.

my issue wasn't summoner vs ele (firestorm) - it was summoner vs summoner build using a firestorm gem instead of any summoner skills. THAT was the point.

Dude, start reading -_-. I just stated that at some point skill A is better because it scale better without level, and after some time skill B shines and this is what makes game interesting. You either don't read or just trolling only.

You clearly don't have a clue what you're writing about. Is english your main language? If no, make sure you use the translator correctly.

Best regards
N.

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Nomancs написал:

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robmafia написал:

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Nomancs написал:

If you want me to write it again: you start with build 5 and turn it at some point to build 3 because it scales better since that moment. THIS IS WHAT MAKES IT INTERESTING, SKILL A IS BETTER AT SOME POINT AND SKILL B IS BETTER LATER. You want to make all builds equal, so why different builds if there is no diference, lets make just one for everyone.

my issue wasn't summoner vs ele (firestorm) - it was summoner vs summoner build using a firestorm gem instead of any summoner skills. THAT was the point.

Dude, start reading -_-. I just stated that at some point skill A is better because it scale better without level, and after some time skill B shines and this is what makes game interesting. You either don't read or just trolling only.

You clearly don't have a clue what you're writing about. Is english your main language? If no, make sure you use the translator correctly.

Best regards
N.

umm... you're the one that should try reading, as your entire giant wall of garbage text was based on a faulty premise of comparing BUILD vs BUILD/ skill vs skill, which wasn't what i was talking about.

in other words, it's just strawman.

the fact that i literally spelled out "summoner vs summoner build using a firestorm gem instead of any summoner skills" should have been quite a hint.

a summoner build should be better off using summoner skills than an irrelevant spell that has 0 help from the passive tree or gear.

a summoner clearing worse than an elemental/spell build is one thing. a summoner clearing worse than a summoner build using only a 2L firestorm is another - and also, my anecdote.

and thanks for the insults, you're so smart.

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robmafia написал:

umm... you're the one that should try reading, as your entire giant wall of garbage text was based on a faulty premise of comparing BUILD vs BUILD/ skill vs skill, which wasn't what i was talking about.

in other words, it's just strawman.

the fact that i literally spelled out "summoner vs summoner build using a firestorm gem instead of any summoner skills" should have been quite a hint.

a summoner build should be better off using summoner skills than an irrelevant spell that has 0 help from the passive tree or gear.

a summoner clearing worse than an elemental/spell build is one thing. a summoner clearing worse than a summoner build using only a 2L firestorm is another - and also, my anecdote.

So you're not speaking about skill vs skill but about summoning spell vs firestorm? Since when they are not skills?! :D MAN! You're a piece of work!

How many skillpoints you have invested in summoning skill on (LOW LEVELING) passive tree? Most are int, mana... So pure summoning stuff is like 3? 4? And you expect it to make any impact on it how? Read once more - IT IS HOW SKILLS/SPELLS SCALE WITH LOW LEVEL. It is intended and it is what makes game interesting.

Stop trolling.

Edit: Just asking if english is your main language and what translator you're using, because I'm 5th, or maybe 6th person in this topic that is trying to explain to you that you're wrong, and you continue to write that no one understand you, and repeat the exact same text.

Both leagues weren't too interesting to me, last one had better items and the crafting was nice.

Would love to see the altar back without the beasts and nets.

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Nomancs написал:

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robmafia написал:

umm... you're the one that should try reading, as your entire giant wall of garbage text was based on a faulty premise of comparing BUILD vs BUILD/ skill vs skill, which wasn't what i was talking about.

in other words, it's just strawman.

the fact that i literally spelled out "summoner vs summoner build using a firestorm gem instead of any summoner skills" should have been quite a hint.

a summoner build should be better off using summoner skills than an irrelevant spell that has 0 help from the passive tree or gear.

a summoner clearing worse than an elemental/spell build is one thing. a summoner clearing worse than a summoner build using only a 2L firestorm is another - and also, my anecdote.

So you're not speaking about skill vs skill but about summoning spell vs firestorm? Since when they are not skills?! :D MAN! You're a piece of work!

more insults and more missing the point. why am i not surprised?

best of all, skillS vs... skill (singular).

if you read this, at all, you would know that i said (numerously) that the problem was a summoner TREE (not a skill, thanks!) with CONCURRENT 3L skillS (notice that s, plural) performed worse than the same summoner tree and a 2L firestorm.

let me draw this out for you:


firestorm > any summoner skill (here is where you think we are. we're not)
firestorm > concurrent summoner skills
firestorm > concurrent summoner skills AND an extra support gem
firestorm > concurrent summoner skills AND an extra support gem AND summoner passives - this is the point that you keep missing, while pretending it's about something else while going off on a tangent of hypocritical insults.

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Nomancs написал:

How many skillpoints you have invested in summoning skill on (LOW LEVELING) passive tree? Most are int, mana... So pure summoning stuff is like 3? 4?

6 at level 13 or was it level 12? good job, though! i see you really know what you're talking about! /s

and lolz @ most summoner passives being int/mana! wtf? hahaha

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Nomancs написал:

And you expect it to make any impact on it how? Read once more - IT IS HOW SKILLS/SPELLS SCALE WITH LOW LEVEL.

...wow.

you're seriously arguing that the passive tree shouldn't have an impact. amazing. this is some top level failing. are you on the 1000 hours balance team, by any chance?

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Nomancs написал:

Stop trolling.

Edit: Just asking if english is your main language and what translator you're using, because I'm 5th, or maybe 6th person in this topic that is trying to explain to you that you're wrong, and you continue to write that no one understand you, and repeat the exact same text.

more insults.

i'm in awe of your mighty intellect and walls of strawman and ad-hominem.

your inability to follow consistent logic isn't my burden.

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robmafia написал:

more insults.

i'm in awe of your mighty intellect and walls of strawman and ad-hominem.

your inability to follow consistent logic isn't my burden.

You're the only one insulting here.

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robmafia написал:

a summoner build should be better off using summoner skills than an irrelevant spell that has 0 help from the passive tree or gear.
(...)level 13 or was it level 12? (...)

Not at low level, because difference is marginal. Skill damage scale with gear/level is different for different skills.

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robmafia написал:

(...)level 13 or was it level 12? (...)
you're seriously arguing that the passive tree shouldn't have an impact. amazing. this is some top level failing. are you on the 1000 hours balance team, by any chance?

Yeah, at this level impact is minimal. Not amazing, common knowledge.

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robmafia написал:

firestorm > any summoner skill (here is where you think we are. we're not)
firestorm > concurrent summoner skills
firestorm > concurrent summoner skills AND an extra support gem
firestorm > concurrent summoner skills AND an extra support gem AND summoner passives - this is the point that you keep missing, while pretending it's about something else while going off on a tangent of hypocritical insults.

If you have this issue on endgame, your build is really bad and need to be redesigned. If it is level 12, read my posts again.

If 6 people tell you, that you're wrong and they are more advanced in game (you hide your profile so I base on your Challenges (and before you whine about it - your profile is private, so prove us wrong, or just accept more exp players). Just re-read all replays so far, they all answer your problems here. Everything is there. I find it, 6 other people find it. One single person that didn't get it is... you guess who. And you still yelling that entire world doesn't understand you.

Can you use your country language? Maybe problem is in translator.

Best regards
N.

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Nomancs написал:

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robmafia написал:

umm... you're the one that should try reading, as your entire giant wall of garbage text was based on a faulty premise of comparing BUILD vs BUILD/ skill vs skill, which wasn't what i was talking about.

in other words, it's just strawman.

the fact that i literally spelled out "summoner vs summoner build using a firestorm gem instead of any summoner skills" should have been quite a hint.

a summoner build should be better off using summoner skills than an irrelevant spell that has 0 help from the passive tree or gear.

a summoner clearing worse than an elemental/spell build is one thing. a summoner clearing worse than a summoner build using only a 2L firestorm is another - and also, my anecdote.

So you're not speaking about skill vs skill but about summoning spell vs firestorm? Since when they are not skills?! :D MAN! You're a piece of work!

How many skillpoints you have invested in summoning skill on (LOW LEVELING) passive tree? Most are int, mana... So pure summoning stuff is like 3? 4? And you expect it to make any impact on it how? Read once more - IT IS HOW SKILLS/SPELLS SCALE WITH LOW LEVEL. It is intended and it is what makes game interesting.

Stop trolling.

Edit: Just asking if english is your main language and what translator you're using, because I'm 5th, or maybe 6th person in this topic that is trying to explain to you that you're wrong, and you continue to write that no one understand you, and repeat the exact same text.

You don´t play summoners and you really need to stop posting here, it´s hilarious what comes out of your "mouth".

Summoners do invest skill points into summoner nodes quite early, int & mana?!.... you must be either totally clueless or trolling.

Grave intentions and lord of the dead, are the first big nodes you aim for. It allows you to have more zombies and more damage. Both nodes you have around level 10-15, depending on side quests.

If now someone goes into an incursion with a minion build and does worse, than what he would do if he just equips some AOE spell that he has not invested any skill points in, then this shows how broken the system must be.

Besides that, you insult someone who knows better than you in each single post, your nothing but a toxic troll.

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Ygidua написал:

Summoners do invest skill points into summoner nodes quite early, int & mana?!.... you must be either totally clueless or trolling.

What the hell are you talking about at so low level?
1. LOW LEVEL LIKE 10-13 (Edit: Level Robmafia mentioned about). You can't call yourself summoner at this point
2. First passives are either int/mana regen+es/spell damage. Anyone with skill tree can see this. You don't have to be an expert here.
3. One more account, Rob?

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Nomancs написал:

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Ygidua написал:

Summoners do invest skill points into summoner nodes quite early, int & mana?!.... you must be either totally clueless or trolling.

What the hell are you talking about at so low level?
1. LOW LEVEL LIKE 10-13 (Edit: Level Robmafia mentioned about). You can't call yourself summoner at this point
2. First passives are either int/mana regen+es/spell damage. Anyone with skill tree can see this. You don't have to be an expert here.
3. One more account, Rob?

actually, i was referring to levels 15-20, LIKE I ALREADY SAID MANY FREAKIN' PAGES AGO.

i pointed out that a summoner would/could/probably should have 6 summoner nodes on/by/appx level 13.

you keep mentioning "reading." perhaps you should try it, sometime. maybe before you post a reply?

and now i'm other people? wtf.

and right, by bad. a char using summoner skills with a summoner tree totally isn't a summoner.

as for your previous post, it was nothing but evasion. you didn't touch on the point* at all - as always. you literally have not made ONE relevant response to it yet.

it's funny to read about how i'm inexperienced, though! sorry about my private profile! (yes, this is sarcasm) had to keep my pvp builds a secret, you know. like all of us inexperienced players that were in the pvp scene...

tell me more about summoners, ie: int and mana



*(firestorm > concurrent summoner skills AND an extra support gem AND summoner passives)