They actually managed to do worse than bestiary

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robmafia написал:

"firestorm > concurrent summoner skills AND an extra support gem AND summoner passives"

yeah, THAT'S the problem.

Low level, there is no problem. Gear scaling, level scaling, too few passives with marginal influence. It work as intended, this is math, 1.5 will always be greater than 1.3.

I'm still asking - what support gems? You refuse to answer this question so I'm thinking there was no synergy.

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Nomancs написал:

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robmafia написал:

"firestorm > concurrent summoner skills AND an extra support gem AND summoner passives"

yeah, THAT'S the problem.

Low level, there is no problem. Gear scaling, level scaling, too few passives with marginal influence. It work as intended, this is math, 1.5 will always be greater than 1.3.

I'm still asking - what support gems? You refuse to answer this question so I'm thinking there was no synergy.

...wow, this low level problem is a problem at low level?! AMAZING! A+

as for the supports, i mentioned them. like 4 posts ago. i also tested phantasm.

as for math? lolwut? coming from the one that saw no notable offensive benefit to having additional zombies/skels? TELL ME MORE!

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ArtCrusade написал:

Is this thread still going on? Half of the people in here posting should stop whining and invest the time in progressing through the league. People can nit-pick even Van Gogh into shit, and the last 38 pages are proof of that.

If I can do it in SSF, you can do it in trade league all the easier. Simple as that. :-)

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Nomancs написал:

I don't need to tell you anything, math already told you everything, you just don't want to accept something that is so obvious for others and what they tried to explain to you.

There is no problem, nothing is broken, you're just trolling around and insulting everyone.

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robmafia написал:

but it's outright silly to pretend that a summoner tree is MUCH better off using firestorm than summoner skills, at all.

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robmafia написал:

you literally just used 2 insults while accusing me of "insulting everyone," despite 0 insults.

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robmafia написал:

but it's outright silly to pretend that a summoner tree is MUCH better off using firestorm than summoner skills, at all.

At level 12 it isn't a summoner tree. 12 levels doesn't define you, that is way to early, this is why firestorm worked better for you. You can argue as much as you want - but that what happened for you. You can run PoB and test it by yourself, but game calculated it for you already. You're arguing that sky is blue but to your expectations it should be green.

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robmafia написал:

you literally just used 2 insults while accusing me of "insulting everyone," despite 0 insults.

And now I insulted you by saying you insult everyone? I'm not going to get provoked.

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robmafia написал:

you already claimed that the summoner trees are "mostly" int/mana. clearly, the tree isn't your strong suit.

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robmafia написал:

6 at level 13 or was it level 12?

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robmafia написал:

btw, AGAIN, i said this was for levels 15-20. now we're back to 12. makes sense. might as well make it 11, so firestorm can't be used...

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robmafia написал:

you literally just used 2 insults while accusing me of "insulting everyone," despite 0 insults.

And now I insulted you by saying you insult everyone? I'm not going to get provoked.

...holy projection.

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ArtCrusade написал:

Is this thread still going on? Half of the people in here posting should stop whining and invest the time in progressing through the league. People can nit-pick even Van Gogh into shit, and the last 38 pages are proof of that.

Still going strong, although OP isn't even here and hasn't been for 3 weeks soon. I guess topics like these tend to attract a lot of elitists which is also why the thread is still going. The direction is not as straight as one would hope though.

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ArtCrusade написал:

If I can do it in SSF, you can do it in trade league all the easier.

But what does this prove? That you can play arc-traps and cruise thru content like the majority of players. A chimpanzee could do that.

Your build is basically spoonfed to you. Yet you claim that's not a big deal. Just because you can do it doesn't mean it's a good thing. The main point of this thread is that timers changed to the worse only days before release, and how that's a bad thing. At least RF-Elitist earlier had some grounds to base his bragging and insults on. You however do not.

And please don't bring in SSF here. This is clearly the best league so far to play SSF. The impact of choosing SSF is minimal and especially when following GGG's advertised meta.