Bestiary was a better league then Incursion in terms of retention

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kuciol написал:

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I_NO написал:

Pressing V is apparently Complex?

HAHAHAHAH

Beast league was SHIT GET OVER IT why do you think they didn't keep it? CUZ IT WAS SHIT

Great league huh? OH WAIT IT WAS SHIT even GGG thought so

OMEGALUL

For you? Yeap it was to complex. The way you write every single post further proves my point.

Complex? What are you talking about dude. Shes 40/40 EVERY single league and controls about at least 70-80 people in possibly one of the most powerful economy clans in the game.

Not only that but she literally plays a boss killer char every league and you think things are ccomplex to her? Is pressing V complex apparently? I guess suppose you keep trying to force your opinion on her. PoE isn't complex in the first place like whatever your saying dude has no meaning whatsoever.

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FG_Glory56 написал:

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kuciol написал:

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I_NO написал:

Pressing V is apparently Complex?

HAHAHAHAH

Beast league was SHIT GET OVER IT why do you think they didn't keep it? CUZ IT WAS SHIT

Great league huh? OH WAIT IT WAS SHIT even GGG thought so

OMEGALUL

For you? Yeap it was to complex. The way you write every single post further proves my point.

Complex? What are you talking about dude. Shes 40/40 EVERY single league and controls about at least 70-80 people in possibly one of the most powerful economy clans in the game.

Not only that but she literally plays a boss killer char every league and you think things are ccomplex to her? Is pressing V complex apparently? I guess suppose you keep trying to force your opinion on her. PoE isn't complex in the first place like whatever your saying dude has no meaning whatsoever.

Agreed. You can either love or hate I_NO for her style of posting, but for sure she know's what's up in this game. Can't deny that.

If true, the reason is obvious. Temple is repetitive gameplay. Even for the genre.

I don't dislike the league, far from it. But temple gets old fast. Not sure how they could have prevented this.

Well she was an assassin assuming her irl ''job'' is true

I think it might have helped when I_NO got the right tools

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Shagsbeard написал:

Incursion league is better. Proof:

Two "firsts" for a 5 year+ player.

Nice going, Proofessor.

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Agreed. You can either love or hate I_NO for her style of posting, but for sure she know's what's up in this game. Can't deny that.

Does she? I don't count spamming every single thread with capslocked responses that contribute nothing as game knowledge. I reserve the right to be wrong, of course; maybe I'm just an uneducated plebian who can't appreciate genius PoE analysis like "ALSO BEAST LEAGUE SUCKED ASS SHIT LEAGUE". I'd rather threads not be derailed and shut down by a 14-year-old with a forum addiction, but I digress.

To the point; Bestiary had a measurably higher retention rate than Incursion (mindblowing info for softcore speedclearers and Redditors, I imagine). I do enjoy incursions for the risk and reward they offer in HC, but I don't imagine they'll keep me interested for longer than a month. Bestiary was a deeper, much more involved league and it shows in the charts. It was quite flawed, of course, but it gave you interesting goals to aim for and the menagerie was a very welcome change of pace from the otherwise frantic grinding of maps to keep up with the economy.

Bestiary was also much more new player-friendly than Incursion; you could take your time capturing beasts, unlocking recipes and crafting cool stuff to help you with levelling. In contrast, what does a new player do in Incursion? Meet Alva, step in, kill one pack before the timer ends (because they're likely not playing the hot meta builds which is what Incursion was designed for), get spat out and loot three wisdom scrolls. Amazing. That's not to say the rewards later on aren't very generous, but Incursion sucks ass for new players who probably quit before they see any real rewards. Bestiary had clear rewards and also clear goals: get the endgame recipes and kill the portal bosses. What's a new player's goal in Incursion after they've killed the flying saucer boss? Do it again?

And this is something that the veterans who see PoE through their echo chamber don't seem to care about and, oddly, it's not something the devs seem to care about either. How does the new content attract new players? ARPGs attract very different audiences. Bestiary offered a unique niche for people who don't obsess over efficiency and the market. By contrast, Incursion is complete, 100% pandering to speedclearers. Your rewards are completely dependent on how fast you can clear and how optimized and meta your build is.

My final opinion is that Bestiary was mechanically flawed but conceptually great; Incursion is mechanically great but conceptually flawed. Veterans will cheer when Alva is made permanent, but the reality is it won't change the core game in any way. It will be just another side gimmick you can do, like Abyss. Bestiary being made permanent would've opened up the game to an entirely new audience. Your opinions on how amazing and wonderful the temple is are completely irrelevant; most players use Steam and less of them are playing Incursion than Bestiary.

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鬼殺し написал:

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ChefoSLR написал:

I reserve the right to be wrong, of course.

Exercise that right here freely.

I_NO, formerly known as Apathy, has more than proven her chops around here and in-game over the past 6 years. Benefit from my experiences with her, which have been...turbulent, to say the least, but in the end, regardless of how she writes, she knows her stuff and should be heeded for it.

And I agree. This is a derail. Moving on?

Alright I'll do it again /hops around.

Beast league was shit it was so shit that GGG didn't even like it INB4 the minority yelled no it was obviously the majority if anything why do you think GGG didn't implement anything from it? CUZ IT WAS AWFUL.

Best part about this is some of the people in this thread are like THEY GAVE BEAST MORE ATTENTION well NO FUCKING SHIT IT WAS GARBAGE they kept trying to make it better and better and better.

Of course they cared cause they were trying the very beast to make it semi-decent to the very core but no matter the amount IT WAS JUST SHIEEEEEEEET QLC voice right here. See Harbinger was shit but it had redeeming qualities like it's orbs people like that why do you think they put that in many forms? Cause ppl liked it.

Why do you think beast league isn't here in any form FOR OBVIOUS REASONS IT WAS AWFUL.

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I_NO написал:

The majority don't use steam charts ROFL STOP DOING THAT STEAM START SHIT I USE STEAM because I have like 30000 billion games that's it not everyone likes steam in fact pretty sure a lot of people hate it.

Except Chris on Reddit confirmed roughly ~2/3rds are on Steam so why do you vomit this drivel?

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jack_aubrey написал:

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I_NO написал:

The majority don't use steam charts ROFL STOP DOING THAT STEAM START SHIT I USE STEAM because I have like 30000 billion games that's it not everyone likes steam in fact pretty sure a lot of people hate it.

Except Chris on Reddit confirmed roughly ~2/3rds are on Steam so why do you vomit this drivel?

Because L_NO function on the idea that capslock and having lots of challenges done makes you correct, even when what she says is objectively wrong. Apparently L_NO thinks she knows more about the game than GGG do.

On-Topic

I quit bestiary within the first day (quit before dominus) incursion lasted me 2 days (got to maps, promptly said fuck this shit).

I like the idea of incursion, like I liked the idea of bestiary but both were objectively shit, I'd say incursion is pretty close to bestiary only slightly worse, and definitely both were worse than even garbinger.