Bestiary was a better league then Incursion in terms of retention

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鬼殺し написал:


Dude, they dropped it ENTIRELY. Despite it being the most ambitious, costly league gimmick to date. It was just that inherently flawed. Conceptually great? Sure. I was sold on the basic concept before any of you even knew about it.

But the execution...? Oh my god. What a failure.

The wording of the thread title is really misleading. 'Bestiary was a better league THAN incursion' is all most people will see before they jump on their little soapboxes. It's the qualifier 'in terms of retention' that changes things. Had the OP not wanted to start a flamewar, they'd have made a less incendiary topic title. 'Incursion has worse retention rates than Bestiary according to steamcharts', for example.

But let's be honest...the OP wanted to start a flamewar.



As an random player of thousands, I wasn't expecting much out of beastiary. What really annoyed me was how some of the populace threw it under the bus because it didn't fit their definition of fun.

There was something about crafting useful stuff that held appeal, and it was basically a bonus for killing/capturing something you would have anyway.

And while there were problems galore... I was still motivated to pursue more - not for the sake of challenges, but for useful valuable stuff.

Looking back, I'm honestly surprised I stuck with it so long given that I Abyss set my expectations.

Incursion seemed like it was going to have a lot of potential... but in practice I've felt mostly disappointed and barely motivated to keep going. The incursions feel like this build up of anticipation - only to be beset by mediocrity.

While people with the endurance to rush through hundreds of maps are basically getting more of the same, I would say that the majority of the player base won't share the same mindset.

If 40/40 was the norm, then fine - but we all know its not. It would be nice for people to realize that just because they enjoy something, others do not and vice versa.

You know, instead of people thinking their view was the only one.
Yep, totally over league play.
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I_NO написал:


That didn't even remotely make sense whatsoever dude pressing V is complex to you apparently that's your entire point

OMEGALUL


Yeap because all of those posts "i need to learn, i cant tell just by looking" were made by bots right? That was the biggest problem most player here had.

Was bestiary perfect? Hell no. But it had content that lasted more than an week.
Последняя редакция: kuciol#0426. Время: 17 июн. 2018 г., 03:56:12
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鬼殺し написал:
The wording of the thread title is really misleading. 'Bestiary was a better league THAN incursion' is all most people will see before they jump on their little soapboxes. It's the qualifier 'in terms of retention' that changes things. Had the OP not wanted to start a flamewar, they'd have made a less incendiary topic title. 'Incursion has worse retention rates than Bestiary according to steamcharts', for example.

But let's be honest...the OP wanted to start a flamewar.

So it's the OP's fault if people are too lazy to read one whole entire sentence and would rather jump to conclusions after half of it?

Fuck off. If people aren't responding to what the OP wrote, that's on them for not reading it.
1) According to the devs, Bestiary didn't go core because they'd have to support it and balance it with each new league and they didn't wish to expend resources on it. Nowhere in the development manifesto did it say "Bestiary was shit".

2) In Chris' own words, around two thirds of players use Steam, AKA the majority. If Incursion has achieved a lower retention rate with the MAJORITY audience, then it's very unlikely it achieved a higher retention overall. This fact doesn't automatically make Bestiary a "better league" (which is a subjective point of view anyway); it just means Bestiary's mechanic managed to keep players interested for longer and it's worth speculating why that is. If Bestiary really was shit because no one liked it, then that makes Incursion worse than shit because less people liked it.

3) You people really need to find a better community mascot than a walrus roleplayer who thinks swear words, farming achievements and taping their capslock constitutes an argument. I've yet to see anything from I_NO that makes me go "wow this person knows a lot about PoE". My thoughts drift more towards "salty teenager who likes shouting down people with different opinions". I imagine these forums receive zero moderation since pretty much every thread I open is spammed by this individual's capslocked comments and insults.
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ChefoSLR написал:
1) According to the devs, Bestiary didn't go core because they'd have to support it and balance it with each new league and they didn't wish to expend resources on it. Nowhere in the development manifesto did it say "Bestiary was shit".

2) In Chris' own words, around two thirds of players use Steam, AKA the majority. If Incursion has achieved a lower retention rate with the MAJORITY audience, then it's very unlikely it achieved a higher retention overall. This fact doesn't automatically make Bestiary a "better league" (which is a subjective point of view anyway); it just means Bestiary's mechanic managed to keep players interested for longer and it's worth speculating why that is. If Bestiary really was shit because no one liked it, then that makes Incursion worse than shit because less people liked it.

3) You people really need to find a better community mascot than a walrus roleplayer who thinks swear words, farming achievements and taping their capslock constitutes an argument. I've yet to see anything from I_NO that makes me go "wow this person knows a lot about PoE". My thoughts drift more towards "salty teenager who likes shouting down people with different opinions". I imagine these forums receive zero moderation since pretty much every thread I open is spammed by this individual's capslocked comments and insults.


When you know more than me CALL MEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OMEGALUL

Beast league was shit stop trying to sugar coat it HAHAHAHHA
Dys an sohm
Rohs an kyn
Sahl djahs afah
Mah morn narr
I could see that. Bestiary actually became decent with changes they made and had long term goals like securing a decent armor set or whatever. Incursion feels too repetitive. Big room full of loot similar to lab which most of us hate, with portals.


Another thing about Incusion is timer I think got people disinterested. When you start out you couldnt even complete incusions in time. It wasnt until you got powerful you had 25 second left after clearing. Many didnt stick around to see that point.
Git R Dun!
Последняя редакция: Aim_Deep#3474. Время: 17 июн. 2018 г., 07:17:48
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I_NO написал:

When you know more than me CALL MEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OMEGALUL

Beast league was shit stop trying to sugar coat it HAHAHAHHA


In your whole career in PoE you didnt made a single post that indicated that you know anything about the game. All those challenges you have completed prove only that you have a lot of time. Thats all it takes really, following a build and having ton of free time. Repeating something over and over again doesnt make it true, maybe one day you will realize this. Maybe for the first time in your life you will try and prove your point? That would be nice change of pace.
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kuciol написал:
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I_NO написал:

When you know more than me CALL MEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OMEGALUL

Beast league was shit stop trying to sugar coat it HAHAHAHHA


In your whole career in PoE you didnt made a single post that indicated that you know anything about the game. All those challenges you have completed prove only that you have a lot of time. Thats all it takes really, following a build and having ton of free time. Repeating something over and over again doesnt make it true, maybe one day you will realize this. Maybe for the first time in your life you will try and prove your point? That would be nice change of pace.


I'm amazing stay jelo

btw beast league was shit get over it ok stop projecting your frustration to me it ain't coo

yo yo gots to use this
and make it 50k in an hour with muh boys I'll toy with you later u can keep thinking beast league was good when it was

SHIEEEEEEEEEEEEET QLC voice.
Dys an sohm
Rohs an kyn
Sahl djahs afah
Mah morn narr
Последняя редакция: Coconutdoggy#1805. Время: 17 июн. 2018 г., 07:38:59
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I_NO написал:


I'm amazing stay jelo

btw beast league was shit get over it ok stop projecting your frustration to me it ain't coo

yo yo gots to use this
and make it 50k in an hour with muh boys I'll toy with you later u can keep thinking beast league was good when it was

SHIEEEEEEEEEEEEET QLC voice.


Still waiting for you to prove your point. Since you feel like being a dick to others i decided to return the favor.
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jpsherman1 написал:
I remember when Steam was in Beta and sucked alot, btw I kicked ass at CS back in the day. I'm old. I give no shits about retention on Steam. If you disagree, I give even fewer shits about you.


You gave enought shit to respond to this thread...


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