Can we get Determination aura changed?

Almost no one uses it, except for using that one mod (Immune to Vuln on Watcher's Eye) that makes Coward's Legacy belt usable and hence getting the low-life status. GGG really should just change it to work just like Grace and Discipline i.e. make it give you a large chunk of flat armor. Or make it give a some reasonable amount of direct physical damage reduction, either % or flat (like old Arctic Armor). Even tank builds combining it with Grace + IR would still get use out of it this way (more flat armor added rather than % armor multiplication, or additional phys dmg reduction). So it'd not have any detrimental effect on the few people who actually run it now, while making it more popular with everyone else.

The issue is more that armor doesn't prevent enough damage unless you get a lot of it. If you want to make determination an actual viable aura, you'd have to let low armor mitigate a reasonable amount of elemental damage, otherwise it's just not a choice aura.

Especially, when most build go full DPS.

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RPGlitch написал:

The issue is more that armor doesn't prevent enough damage unless you get a lot of it. If you want to make determination an actual viable aura, you'd have to let low armor mitigate a reasonable amount of elemental damage, otherwise it's just not a choice aura.

Armor is for physical damage tho, not elemental. That's what resists are for. I'm actually somewhat okay with how armor works at present. You hit diminishing returns the more armor or evasion you get, but a bit of armor/evasion does give you some protection. 20-25% phys dmg reduction from an aura is a lot better than 0. The issue is that Determination is only usable by builds that already have a lot of armor to start with. Contrast that with Grace, which can be used to get some evasion by any build, and hence is used sometimes if a build has the mana and chooses not to run an offensive aura (albeit Blasphemy + Enfeeble is better, but if you already have that then Grace is a decent second pick). My issue is basically that Determination is in such a narrow place as it is - they can fix any issues with armor itself if they ever get around to an overall defensive mechanics overhaul. Also, it giving flat armor / flat physical damage reduction makes it work better with +levels gear/gems.

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Exile009 написал:

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RPGlitch написал:

The issue is more that armor doesn't prevent enough damage unless you get a lot of it. If you want to make determination an actual viable aura, you'd have to let low armor mitigate a reasonable amount of elemental damage, otherwise it's just not a choice aura.

Armor is for physical damage tho, not elemental. That's what resists are for. I'm actually somewhat okay with how armor works at present. You hit diminishing returns the more armor or evasion you get, but a bit of armor/evasion does give you some protection. The issue is that Determination is only usable by builds that already have a lot of armor to start with. Contrast that with Grace, which can be used to get some evasion by any build, and hence is used sometimes if a build has the mana and chooses not to run an offensive aura (albeit Blasphemy + Enfeeble is better, but if you already have that then Grace is a decent second pick). My issue is basically that Determination is in such a narrow place as it is - they can fix any issues with armor itself if they ever get around to an overall defensive mechanics overhaul. Also, making it give flat armor / flat physical damage reduction makes it work better with +levels gear/gems.

Nah, if you add a flat armor bonus, I don't see any change in the usage of determination. Like you said, you only use it for builds with high base armor, and those builds have to sacrifice a significant amount of skill-tree or equipment slots to achieve that trade off.

The builds that don't use determination, already have flasks and other phys mitigation, that doesn't require the use of an aura (most times they need that aura slot open for a DPS aura like wrath etc...so they can't afford determination, or they are MoM and need the mana.)

So, even if you change it to flat phys, or flat armor. The only builds that would use determination are those that already have it because a low amount of armor 2,000-3,000 flat armor doesn't do squat for damage mitigation.

If armor was actually useful for elemental mitigation. That would obviously change. Otherwise, there is no change to build diversity. No reason for builds to even consider it's use, because any flat phys or armor they'd need is already easily done with a granite/basalt flask.

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RPGlitch написал:

The builds that don't use determination, already have flasks and other phys mitigation, that doesn't require the use of an aura...No reason for builds to even consider it's use, because any flat phys or armor they'd need is already easily done with a granite/basalt flask.

Just fyi, Jade and Quartz flasks exist in the game too, and fulfill exactly the same function as Granite and Basalt flasks.

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Exile009 написал:

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RPGlitch написал:

The builds that don't use determination, already have flasks and other phys mitigation, that doesn't require the use of an aura...No reason for builds to even consider it's use, because any flat phys or armor they'd need is already easily done with a granite/basalt flask.

Just fyi, Jade and Quartz flasks exist in the game too, and fulfill exactly the same function as Granite and Basalt flasks.

More reasons that determination is never used.

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RPGlitch написал:

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Exile009 написал:

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RPGlitch написал:

The builds that don't use determination, already have flasks and other phys mitigation, that doesn't require the use of an aura...No reason for builds to even consider it's use, because any flat phys or armor they'd need is already easily done with a granite/basalt flask.

Just fyi, Jade and Quartz flasks exist in the game too, and fulfill exactly the same function as Granite and Basalt flasks.

More reasons that determination is never used.

But then why is Grace still used, at least more often than Determination?

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Exile009 написал:

But then why is Grace still used, at least more often than Determination?

Well, because grace is used in both high armor and high evasion characters.

Grace apparently does more than Determination if you have Iron Reflexes? :S

Adding some base armour to it would make it slightly more attractive and actually useful in a party with non armour users.

Adding block bonuses to it might be interesting?

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RPGlitch написал:

If armor was actually useful for elemental mitigation. That would obviously change. Otherwise, there is no change to build diversity. No reason for builds to even consider it's use, because any flat phys or armor they'd need is already easily done with a granite/basalt flask.

No, no need for ele mitigation with armour, armour is for physical damage, period.
Each defense mechanics its purpose, if one does cover both ele and phys, then stacking it like crazy and ignoring everything else could become a thing and build diversity would be thrown out of the window since people would just do that rather than using other things.

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RPGlitch написал:

Well, because grace is used in both high armor and high evasion characters.

I'm sorry, are you falling for the noobtrap that IR is in most cases ???

No, armoured characters ( often Juggernauts ) don't need IR, and it's much much better for them to have a tiny bit of evasion on top of that armour and the flat %phys mitigation they have.
And those character don't need either aura, which might be another problem.


Why not lowering the cost to 35% ?
Determination is strong still because it does scale very well with Granite, now the fact that Juggernauts have so much access to flat %phys mitigation that they just don't need Determination ... is another thing I guess.
Aura bots are using it though, mostly aura bots.