[3.5] Dual wield Mjölner Untethered revived! Shaper+Uber Elder down! (Pathfinder)

This char reached Level 100 in betrayal SC
This is an update of the old Mjölner Untethered build https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1963209

Updated for 3.5 Betrayal! Mjölner is back! Stronger than ever!

showcase vid (T16 hydra)

POB: https://pastebin.com/JLnVpyHk
*updated* POB (more expensive gear) https://pastebin.com/s2p4Kdvs
*updated* POB (even more expensive gear, 9k life https://pastebin.com/rn13n8as

Gear: https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Sacr0/characters

Tree:


the changes in 3.5 to mjölner are huge. it now has a 0.15 sec cd on triggered spells. the arc rework some patches ago (15% more dmg per remaining chain) give arc and mjölner(+2chains) a great synergy.
these 2 changes make mjölner an amazing choice to play.
This build uses 2 Mjölners dual wielded for more attack speed and damage.

i have killed shaper/uber elder in betrayal with this build. it's really tanky (like mjölner builds should be) with 8k life, fortify and permanent flasks.
It has extremely high clearspeed (pathfinder+arc) with around 200% ms and dishes out enough damage to clear all content ingame, including uber elder and shaper.

Update Some tips: try to get 1 abyss jewel with added fire dmg to spells. DONT use ele focus for ball lightning. this way, you can ignite every enemy with ball lightning easily. this provides around 14% more dmg through the cinderswallow urn flask and also gives a lot of flask charges.
if you get an immune to corrupting blood corruption on your a jewel, you can switch to veteran bowyer for an extra 10% ele pen.
if you have currency, +1 to min frenzy charges is a great thing to craft on amulet/ring.




this build uses cyclone+faster attacks+fortify+additional accuracy to proc spells with 2 mjölners. 1 mjölner casts arc, the other casts ball lightning.

Repentance for the spelldmg boost.
Kaoms for life.
Mark of the shaper for life+dmg.
the flow untethered for more attack speed/movement speed/ cdr / life recovery (great belt!)

Bandits : kill all
Pantheon : shakari for poison immunity. major god is up to your preference. i use arakaali for inc life recovery rate

3.5 shaper : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp4yCRUEISE&feature=youtu.be

Featured video from johannes, playing this build
deathless uber elder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VjzjfW1_XA

3.5 uber elder (unoptimized gear): https://youtu.be/6agoii2CeyY

if you have problems capping your resist, use a purity instead of herald of thunder.








old version (discontinued)
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2 new unique items added in 3.0 made me think about reviving an old mjölner build.
these items are

The flow untethered is an amazing belt that reduces any cooldown that exists in the game. cwdt, immortal call, coc, cospri's malice and mjölner all get up to 20% reduced cooldowns. for this build, this means theoretical permanent uptime for immortal calls triggered via cwdt and a discharge every 0.2seconds instead of every 0.25seconds resulting in 1 extra discharge per second or basically 20% more dps.
The boots are amazing for extra power charge generation and make sure that every discharge hits with full power.
we choose pathfinder for this build because we are using a crit based discharge and need to get high crit chance for both attacks and spells to reach a great amount of charge generation via voll's protector. therefore, a diamond flask with 100% uptime is necessary for this build.

this build excels at fast mapping with 129% inc movement speed and great boss dmg. guardians are also really easy to kill, you can even tank phoenix cry(check video).

i killed the shaper with this build on lvl 94 (deathless shaper achieved with lvl 97). however, there are far better builds for killing him. This build is not made for bosskills, but it's a great alrounder for any existing content.

Video:
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minotaur fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww8pRSomtLo&feature=youtu.be

phoenix map+fight[2:20min] (item rarity is socketed into mjölner during mapping, swapped for conc effect in bossfight)
https://youtu.be/1NokmoRPuAU

shaper run(not deathless and sorry for no sound)
https://youtu.be/64KQqTg6Nl4



Gear:
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getting high amounts of str on rings/helmet and shield is a must to reach 412 str required for mjölner. it also gives some life.


Tree:


Ascendany:
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Master Alchemist and Master Surgeon.
Master Surgeon offers the possibility to sustain flasks vs bosses thanks to the 5 extra charges gained per second( 10 with overflowing chalice)
i chose to NOT use veteran bowyer because the random added damage works on our cyclone and kills Elemental Equilibrium.


Explanation:
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bandits: 2 passive points. if you like you could also help alira.
pantheon: yugul! reduced reflected dmg taken is a must. big one: solaris
Pathfinder gives us the ability to reach a 100% uptime on all flasks. Even the 3.0 Vessel of Vinktar can be sustained permanently with the overflowing chalice and some optimized flask using.
This way we gain an insane amount of leech and sustain. The diamond flask is required for a much higher crit chance and gives a huge dps boost. The wise oak helps us cap our resists and gives some nice utility and with optimized resistances great amount of defences.

This build makes use of elemental equilibrium. It is important that you have some added cold damage on one of your rings( no lighting/fire!!!!!) you could use a herald of ice as well. once you hit the enemy with cyclone, he gets -50% to fire and -50% lightning resis resulting in a huge dps boost for our 6power/4(5)Endurance charge discharge. It's worth noting that firestorm does not counter this interaction because the discharge triggers right after the hit, any hit from firestorm on that enemy will only apply after the discharge.
we use a coc setup with cyclone and firestorm in our chest to maximize our charge generation. Blasphemy+assassins mark is mandatory to reach higher crit chance and damage for discharge/firestorm and cyclone.

IMPORTANT:
==>crit multiplier on jewels is the key to get the discharge dmg up! check my jewels in PoB. dual crit multiplier is a must to get the dmg up. 3 crit multiplier are even better. look out for crit dmg with fire/cold/lightning skills, global crit multiplier, crit multiplier for spells, crit multiplier for elemental skills. with perfect jewels this build can easily reach 2 mil dps.<==

gifts from above is not necessary for this build. if you have problems getting enough str( i did for a long time), just go with a good rare ring( diamond, opal(best for dmg), or two stone ring) with str on it. Gifts from above gives a great dps boost with crit and consecrated ground( we have permanently cons ground thx to overflowing chalice flask) also, the flow untethered reduces the cooldown of cons ground spawned by gifts from above. awesome side-effect. wow.(not useful at all i guess). a cheap option could be kaom's sign for +1 end charge and some str.

Repentance gloves give us a great dps boost. i recommend using them.
crit chance for spells on the shield is nice to have. while it does not boost our paper dmg as much as spell dmg, it gives more consistency for crits and therefore more charge generation.

For mapping i reccomend using item rarity over conc effect in mjölner=> better overall clear speed and less dmg from reflect which can be an issue with conc effect. if you feel that your dmg isn't enough yet for mapping, you can use inc crit strikes/ inc crit dmg or contrl destruction instead of conc effect)

A 6L is not required for this build to work. 5L will do. Additional accuracy helps our charge generation due to more crits and therefore boosts our dmg, but it is not required by any means.
So for 5L only, leave additional accuracy out.

Voll's devotion is best-in slot with 3.0 ( choir of the storm got nerfed too hard) and boosts our dmg by quite a fair amount, but it is also not necessary for this build to get started.


Regarding attack speed
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looking at your PoB link, it says your cyclone only attacks 2.74 times a second. Wouldn't you want it to be at least 5 so that you get the full dps value out of your mjolner cooldown ?


cyclone hits twice per spin. so 2.74 times a second= 5,48 hits per second. i agree that it's still really low attack speed and currently i am trying different amounts of attack speed( somewhat around 3.2 times a second=6.4 hits per second). this is very interesting:
i do believe that there is still a lot of room to min-max the attack speed so that it fits for the mjölner cooldown perfectly. having too high or too low attack speed can result in unoptimal triggers and reduce the number of dicharges per second.
for example, take 6 hits per second: 1s/6= 1 attack every 0.167 seconds. this mean that after our first discharge, we go on a cooldown of 0.2(0.21)seconds. with this attack time, the second hit comes at 0.167 s after the first meaning that discharge is on cd. only the third hit which comes after 0.334 seconds will trigger discharge again bringing it to another cooldown making it unoptimal attack speed. this would assume that the cyclone hitrate is linear.
now take an attack time of 4.8 hits per second: every hit comes in 0.208 seconds making the hitrate slightly above discharges cooldown. so every cyclone hit can trigger mjölner. this way, less attack speed can result in more mjölner procs.
its very difficult to reproduce this theory ingame and i'm currently trying to maximize the triggers with variable amounts of attack speed. it's definitely just minmaxing here. the build works fine even with 2.74 attacks per second on cyclone.



PoB*Update*:
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https://pastebin.com/gxA2b06k

lvl 98 shaper tree: https://pastebin.com/KrzNnXrA (2 mil dps/ 1.25 mil shaper dps
lvl 98 mapping tree for save mapping+reflect survival: https://pastebin.com/fPvVjYeq


Leveling*updated*:
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for leveling use storm cloud bow and then doomfletch's prism on lvl 40. use tabula rasa with tornado shot,added cold, gmp, ele dmg with attacks, pierce, faster attacks. use haste, herald of ice and equip all those lvling uniques with flat added phys dmg(meginords, drillneck, phys dmg rings, deidbell, redblade tramplers). Prism is expensive but once you're done lvling you can sell it for the same price you bought it. As amulet use karui ward or karui charge. with this setup you have enough dmg to do low tier maps and get to like lvl 70-75 before you swap to mjölner(depending on your gear/str requirement). As for the skilltree you can pretty much start building the mjölner tree, just use some proj dmg at the ranger starting area and get some ele dmg with attacks notes. spec out the shadow starting area for some dmg. make sure you use wise oak+diamond flask as well as a well rolled quicksilver flask. i got to lvl 60+act 9 in 4 hours using this method. buying all the uniques needed was done with this char and included in the 4hrs playtime.


FAQ:
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Q: no romira's banquet?
A: no, this is a crit based build. we generate our charges with voll's protector and crits from our cyclone/firestorm/cwdt and discharges. we achieve this by using a permanent uptime diamond flasks + 6power charges

Q: 2 Discharge gems?
A: I assume you mean to use the 2. discharge in the CoC Setupt. i did this for quite a while and it does indeed work, but after a lot of testing i came to the conlusion that a single firestorm for charge generation results in higher dmg numbers than 2 discharges. the reason is the following: if you crit with your cyclone, discharge from mjölner will trigger first and deal full dmg. the charges will then be consumed and based on voll's devotion+voll's protector+boots 1-6 new power charges and 5 endurance will be created for 2. discharge. With 30% chance to not consume charges we have a decent chance for 2. discharge from CoC to trigger with full charges. HOWEVER: we use Elemental Equilibrium which means that after the first discharge, the enemies hit get +25% to fire and lightning resi instead of -50% to those elements. This results in a lot less dps for the 2.discharge triggered. It's definitely fun to run around with roughly 8 discharges/second instead of 5, but it does not really boost the dps that much. better just make full use of 1 discharge socketed into mjölner. Especially for bosses, when there's only 1 enemy near, firestorm provides a great source of charges and boosts our dps significantly over 2 discharge gems.

Q: Does this build work as Ascendant?
A: Unfortunately not. We rely heavily on our flasks for charge generation, resists, damage and leech!
pathfinder makes sure that we have our flasks permanently up, no other class can achieve that.
In my opinion, for a crit based Mjölner Discharge build, Pathfinder is by far the best option.

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SinuredXD написал:
With the new changes to shock, i think you can dish out more damage for high hp enemies if you switch the ele focus gem to controlled destruction. you would still have 70% to crit with it and though you loose 10% damage on the gem you can get much more shock effect from 10% (vinktars) up to 50%. looking at your phoenix vid its something worth testing further imo

yeah i tested contrl. destruction+shock in mjölner - as well as ele focus in discharge socketed in mjölner and a 2. discharge setup in coc to proc shocks. shock is a very interesting mechanic but i did not feel any dps boost in using it - although i might have to test it a bit more! enemies already take 10% inc dmg from shock due to vessel of vinktar(or is it 15% due to flasks effectiveness? not sure.) i'm not sure how far we're able to scale our inc dmg taken from shock against high hp enemies.
Anyway thanks for your feedback, you might have some point there. I gotta figure it out vs some bosses!






Последняя редакция: Sacr0#4430. Время: 27 дек. 2018 г., 15:31:20
Last bumped15 июля 2019 г., 12:40:54
Thanks for the build, dude! It looks really awesome.
The main question is how do i level this? Can you give any advice?
How about using shock nova instead of ball lightning to boost the single target dps?

Последняя редакция: Tecken1407#4063. Время: 19 дек. 2018 г., 11:46:51
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forfun142857 написал:
Thanks for the build, dude! It looks really awesome.
The main question is how do i level this? Can you give any advice?



Look at his old guide mate :)

"for leveling use storm cloud bow and then doomfletch's prism on lvl 40. use tabula rasa with tornado shot,added cold, gmp, ele dmg with attacks, pierce, faster attacks. use haste, herald of ice and equip all those lvling uniques with flat added phys dmg(meginords, drillneck, phys dmg rings, deidbell, redblade tramplers). Prism is expensive but once you're done lvling you can sell it for the same price you bought it. As amulet use karui ward or karui charge. with this setup you have enough dmg to do low tier maps and get to like lvl 70-75 before you swap to mjölner(depending on your gear/str requirement). As for the skilltree you can pretty much start building the mjölner tree, just use some proj dmg at the ranger starting area and get some ele dmg with attacks notes. spec out the shadow starting area for some dmg. make sure you use wise oak+diamond flask as well as a well rolled quicksilver flask. i got to lvl 60+act 9 in 4 hours using this method. buying all the uniques needed was done with this char and included in the 4hrs playtime."
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Yohnas92 написал:
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forfun142857 написал:
Thanks for the build, dude! It looks really awesome.
The main question is how do i level this? Can you give any advice?



Look at his old guide mate :)

"for leveling use storm cloud bow and then doomfletch's prism on lvl 40. use tabula rasa with tornado shot,added cold, gmp, ele dmg with attacks, pierce, faster attacks. use haste, herald of ice and equip all those lvling uniques with flat added phys dmg(meginords, drillneck, phys dmg rings, deidbell, redblade tramplers). Prism is expensive but once you're done lvling you can sell it for the same price you bought it. As amulet use karui ward or karui charge. with this setup you have enough dmg to do low tier maps and get to like lvl 70-75 before you swap to mjölner(depending on your gear/str requirement). As for the skilltree you can pretty much start building the mjölner tree, just use some proj dmg at the ranger starting area and get some ele dmg with attacks notes. spec out the shadow starting area for some dmg. make sure you use wise oak+diamond flask as well as a well rolled quicksilver flask. i got to lvl 60+act 9 in 4 hours using this method. buying all the uniques needed was done with this char and included in the 4hrs playtime."


Ah thanks!
Thanks for the build, dude! It looks really awesome.
The main question is how do i level this? Can you give any advice?

i leveled with toxic rain until ~lvl 70 in 3.5. then you can equipd mjölners if you have int/str on rare items. the old lvling guide should still work great too.

How about using shock nova instead of ball lightning to boost the single target dps?

In my opinion ball lightning with slower projectiles deal way more single target dmg than shock nova.
Is the PoB updated fully? since i see on ascendency part that you take veteran bowyer? and on your profile you dont use it

Also isnt it better to get attack speed belt like perseverancew belt? as mjolner is now 0,15 sec cd to meet up with the attack speed.
Последняя редакция: Tecken1407#4063. Время: 19 дек. 2018 г., 17:46:46
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Tecken1407 написал:
Is the PoB updated fully? since i see on ascendency part that you take veteran bowyer? and on your profile you dont use it

Also isnt it better to get attack speed belt like perseverancew belt? as mjolner is now 0,15 sec cd to meet up with the attack speed.


i deal enough dmg so i use master surgeon for bleed immunity. the tree is up to date.

the flow untethered has attack speed (10-15%). not only that, it also gives the harbinger aura that provides 20% more action speed during effect ( which is 20% more movement speed and attack speed). besides that, it gives cdr and life recovery. this belt is hard to beat.
What is the bare minimum you need to get this build running and how much would you say it costs? Thinking of doing this as my first character of the league, always wanted to play mjolner
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305germ написал:
What is the bare minimum you need to get this build running and how much would you say it costs? Thinking of doing this as my first character of the league, always wanted to play mjolner


bare minimum ~1-2 ex (2x mjölner at least). good setup ~6-8ex. GG setup ~15 ex

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