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[3.16] Armageddon Brand Build (League Starter) | Elementalist | Scourge | Path of Exile 3.16

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accaides написал:
The build is working very well for mapping, but I'm having some trouble when it comes to bossing with the DPS being pretty low. Does anyone have any advice?


Armageddon Brand is a spell, not an attack, so your attack mods on your belt, ring, amulet, and gloves aren't doing anything.

Replace your amulet with Primordial Chain, replace Skitterbots with Herald of Ash/Ice/Thunder until you get Aspect of the Spider. Buying Fenumus for the craft is only 15c.

Next fix your tree, the energy shield leech nodes do nothing for you. Spec out of the Spell Damage nodes you're using to get out of the witch start and take the Intelligence nodes instead. We don't gain any real damage from Spell Damage.

Start saving up for your first set of cluster jewels. You want one Large Cluster Jewel with 8 passive skills, ilvl 75+, and the +% Fire Damage tag. This will cost you 40c. You then want 2 Medium Cluster Jewels with 4 or 5 passive skills, ilvl 75+, and the +% Fire Damage Over Time tag. These will cost you around 1.7ex each and is well worth it.

You can self-craft all of these with fire fossils, chaos orbs, or alch/binding+scour until you hit 2 useful mods like Blowback, Burning Bright, Lord of Drought, Cooked Alive, or Wasting Affliction.

After that it's just the obvious things - 6l your staff, get awakened gems, get a lvl 21 Flame wall, get a replica Emberwake, get golem gems, and get better rares in your helmet/body/boots/hands that actually give you damage.
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Nexi написал:
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accaides написал:
The build is working very well for mapping, but I'm having some trouble when it comes to bossing with the DPS being pretty low. Does anyone have any advice?


Armageddon Brand is a spell, not an attack, so your attack mods on your belt, ring, amulet, and gloves aren't doing anything.

Replace your amulet with Primordial Chain, replace Skitterbots with Herald of Ash/Ice/Thunder until you get Aspect of the Spider. Buying Fenumus for the craft is only 15c.

Next fix your tree, the energy shield leech nodes do nothing for you. Spec out of the Spell Damage nodes you're using to get out of the witch start and take the Intelligence nodes instead. We don't gain any real damage from Spell Damage.

Start saving up for your first set of cluster jewels. You want one Large Cluster Jewel with 8 passive skills, ilvl 75+, and the +% Fire Damage tag. This will cost you 40c. You then want 2 Medium Cluster Jewels with 4 or 5 passive skills, ilvl 75+, and the +% Fire Damage Over Time tag. These will cost you around 1.7ex each and is well worth it.

You can self-craft all of these with fire fossils, chaos orbs, or alch/binding+scour until you hit 2 useful mods like Blowback, Burning Bright, Lord of Drought, Cooked Alive, or Wasting Affliction.

After that it's just the obvious things - 6l your staff, get awakened gems, get a lvl 21 Flame wall, get a replica Emberwake, get golem gems, and get better rares in your helmet/body/boots/hands that actually give you damage.


Thanks for the detailed response. Where would you suggest that I remove points for the cluster jewel passives?
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accaides написал:
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Nexi написал:
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accaides написал:
The build is working very well for mapping, but I'm having some trouble when it comes to bossing with the DPS being pretty low. Does anyone have any advice?


Armageddon Brand is a spell, not an attack, so your attack mods on your belt, ring, amulet, and gloves aren't doing anything.

Replace your amulet with Primordial Chain, replace Skitterbots with Herald of Ash/Ice/Thunder until you get Aspect of the Spider. Buying Fenumus for the craft is only 15c.

Next fix your tree, the energy shield leech nodes do nothing for you. Spec out of the Spell Damage nodes you're using to get out of the witch start and take the Intelligence nodes instead. We don't gain any real damage from Spell Damage.

Start saving up for your first set of cluster jewels. You want one Large Cluster Jewel with 8 passive skills, ilvl 75+, and the +% Fire Damage tag. This will cost you 40c. You then want 2 Medium Cluster Jewels with 4 or 5 passive skills, ilvl 75+, and the +% Fire Damage Over Time tag. These will cost you around 1.7ex each and is well worth it.

You can self-craft all of these with fire fossils, chaos orbs, or alch/binding+scour until you hit 2 useful mods like Blowback, Burning Bright, Lord of Drought, Cooked Alive, or Wasting Affliction.

After that it's just the obvious things - 6l your staff, get awakened gems, get a lvl 21 Flame wall, get a replica Emberwake, get golem gems, and get better rares in your helmet/body/boots/hands that actually give you damage.


Thanks for the detailed response. Where would you suggest that I remove points for the cluster jewel passives?


You get a few points by swapping the spell damage nodes for int right at the start. Then I dropped the nodes up to and including Divine Judgement, this is a damage loss but you end up with a net gain if you have good cluster jewels. I also dropped the int node and jewel socket by Quick Recovery, since I put regular jewels in the medium clusters instead of smalls. Finally if you still need a few points you can take some out of life nodes.
@nexi

Any chance you could give me a character audit? What would you get next? I was building my char around yours but didn't save the POB before you switched. I'm gonna 6 link the staff and finish the uber lab today.

Thanks!
What would be the best route for ascension? I noticed the PoB has them in at end game.
Since you haven't had responses from more experienced players, I'll have a go.

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Chu9001 написал:
@nexi

Any chance you could give me a character audit? What would you get next? I was building my char around yours but didn't save the POB before you switched. I'm gonna 6 link the staff and finish the uber lab today.

Thanks!


Hope you're having fun, you seem to have made a lot of progress!

Learning the different mechanics and finding the right balance is half the fun of this game. The first way to play is to copy exactly. From there you can learn by examining others builds. The best place for that is PoE Ninja's daily section:

https://poe.ninja/daily/builds?class=Elementalist&skill=Armageddon-Brand&weapon=Staff&heatmap

This lists other players around your level. There is quite a bit of variety, particularly because the majority play with Searing Touch instead of Martyr. Also important is the passive skills heat map: if your build varies too much from the yellow/red then you need to have a good reason for why. Examine different players, load ones similar to yours into PoB.

Your main issue is that you are way too defensive at the cost of dps. Remember that "Offense is the best defense!" which means destroying the mobs before they destroy you. I suggest you aim to:
- reduce life% to 160% or lower
- reduce armor% to ~0% (only incidental)
- increase base dps from 800k to 1m

Here are some very rough suggestions that you should look into:
- immediately: move Bastion of Elements to Shaper of Flames for massive dps increase! get Bastion once you do Uber lab
- remove all nodes below Unwavering stance, they are wasteful
- reallocate to Tireless, Divine Judgement, Spiritual Aid
- move Red Nightmare to jewel socket near Quick Recovery and allocate Fire Walker
- buy The Anima Stone and 2x Primordial Eminence, replace your then summon at least 2 of each type of golem
- allocate the 2 jewel sockets in your Cluster Jewels, you can put normal jewels in them! replace rare and empty sockets with anima stone and eminence
- buy Glorious Vanity with attribute Bathed in the blood of Doryani, put in socket near Corrupted Soul and allocate Corrupted Soul to get >1000 ES for more defense. However Glorious Vanity changes the strength sockets so you will now be under what you need so will need to find strength on gear.

These changes would:
- REQUIRE substantial gear changes to get sufficient resistance and strength
- double your dps from 0.8m dps to 1.5m!
- provide similar effective HP

Here is your PoB with these changes:
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Be inquisitive and ask away.

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clisen33 написал:
What would be the best route for ascension? I noticed the PoB has them in at end game.


Shaper of Flames (huge dps) > Liege of the Primordial (large dps + large defense) > Elemancer (modest dps + large defense) > Bastion of Elements (large defense)

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methanelost написал:


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clisen33 написал:
What would be the best route for ascension? I noticed the PoB has them in at end game.


Shaper of Flames (huge dps) > Liege of the Primordial (large dps + large defense) > Elemancer (modest dps + large defense) > Bastion of Elements (large defense)



Thank you!
Could some1 help me minx/max a bit?
I feel like my damage is fine, but i really need to get more tanky.
Doesnt feel like i can boss really well.
https://pastebin.com/5DvAQmZd
This is a really solid starter spec. Currently I'm hitting yellow maps and it obliterates almost everything, with close to no investment.

The guide is okay, but I would say it has potential to become much more popular, if you invest some more time in it. Here is a few suggestions for improvements:
- Clear order of ascendancy. I had to look in the video to find it.
- An explanation of required gear and gems. I can see a unique gem in you PoB, that has no explanation.
- A more thorough gem setup using images with mouse over. And the order of importance.
- A pros cons, to highlight strengths and weaknesses.
- A frequently ask question section (FAQ).
- Stat priority, to make it easier for us noobs to find the right gear :-)

Again, the guide is still fine as it is. It's only if you want to to rank higher on pages like poebuids.cc.
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Noceo2003 написал:
This is a really solid starter spec. Currently I'm hitting yellow maps and it obliterates almost everything, with close to no investment.

The guide is okay, but I would say it has potential to become much more popular, if you invest some more time in it. Here is a few suggestions for improvements:
- Clear order of ascendancy. I had to look in the video to find it.
- An explanation of required gear and gems. I can see a unique gem in you PoB, that has no explanation.
- A more thorough gem setup using images with mouse over. And the order of importance.
- A pros cons, to highlight strengths and weaknesses.
- A frequently ask question section (FAQ).
- Stat priority, to make it easier for us noobs to find the right gear :-)

Again, the guide is still fine as it is. It's only if you want to to rank higher on pages like poebuids.cc.


Just saying, there is a youtube link which is pretty comprehensive. If you ever tried making a build showcase in forum and youtube you would know how hard it is.

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