[Phrecia] The dirty Scorpion-Tail|660m|Herald of Agony|CI Cyclone-Necro|The Arachnophobia Allstars

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Lindean#3649 написал:

So what do You think about the Widowhail + Rearguard version of the build?
I've tried to follow Your guide but is so overwhelmingly complex. And it feels a lot of information can be cut out. For example - why include like 10 possible virulence generation setups/skills instead of like two/three best ones?
I had lucky drop from sailing which ended up netting me 4 divs but I had no idea how to proceed with 5 socket voices costing around 3 divs each and overall very limited availabilty of the items listed in the guide itself made me jump to the bow side but I don't like the feeling of it.

I see that You started playing the event, how do You manage without convocation? Crawler is so dumb. Don't You feel squishy? Getting through campaing with HoA was one of the WORST experiences in my entire poe1 carrier.

Bowskills are too squishy and clunky in my experiences, and I tested them often. Most worst is that they are far too slow for high-virulences-HoA. You will be limited to low virulences with much lower, around 1/10 or 1/20, only 5-10% of the damage of this build here with ball lightnings, tornadoes etc. in lategame.

You need only the 7 or the 5 passives voices, they are enough for 660M dps. 7 passive-voices are 5 chaos..5-passive-voices prices go ordinary fast down to somewhere around 20 chaos. Their droprate was extreme buffed, so they are a quite common drop in simulacrums too. You need better voices only when you want to reach 1.2 billion up to 1.5 billion ultra-damage.

About skill-variations, it`s written in the Pro/Con and in the intro of the skills for HoA-virulences. It`s almost unique in poe that a minion-skill is so versatile like the HoA. You could define HoA also as damage-triggersupport. Only spectres are more flexible ingame.
When you like flexibility and to test out skills, that spoiler will be interesting. When not, simply go with the default cyclone - cwc - ball lightning of orbiting, it`s the best mix for smooth moving and virulences.
I liked to write a comprehensive guide too, not only a copy-my-pob-thread like others, and took in variations in subspoilers.
The less complex HoA-builds also reach only 20-40M and not 80-660M like this one.

Yes, convocation is recommended.

Probably you did something different. HoA is not the fastest, but is useable for speedlevelling when you have some poe-experiences.
I started some days late and had not much time to play until now. I started with flamewall as damageskill act 1-3, then poisonous concoction+HoA, then switched early into solely HoA as damageskill. I simply activated a second recouping-mastery for more recovery. Damage is already far more than needed, so I pathed for early 100% spell suppression also to "quickstep" and a 1 chaos small cluster "elegant form".

With in total 3 chaos and 2 fusings I obtained enough gear for full juiced red t-5 until now with lvl 70, still wearing also my blue rings from lvl 24 and lvl 40 onwards and amulet from lvl 18 onwards into maps, still without HoA-clusters, still on a 1-chaos 5-link armour, HoA gem level is 16, qu 0, lol. I tested HoP too, so I have still -60% negative chaos resis and can do the maps. So, to be honest, with the herald-tree it`s a bit too easy overall until now, hehehe.

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jinda002#1564 написал:

Hi can you please explain why are we stacking alot of curses?

Because we do not need the circle of nostalgia rings in Legacy of Phrecia, the ring slots are quite flexible. So the anathema-moonstone ring is the most strongest variation.

With 4 curses we add the most high damage and also high defences beside.
But the curses are some additional clicks, so they are mainly used against the pinnacles and ubers.

In other content the HoA-damage is so high that you can very easy always switch instead other skills in.

So what can I do to get back on the right track? As I don't like dying in T6. Clear speed is fine as stacking Virulence on multiple targets is great but it's hard to get pass 40 on single target. Life on hit also gives decent tankiness but also falls off hard on single target.
Guess my chestplate is usable for some time. As it will take some time for proper Skin of the Lords to appear. What about rest of my equipment? I would need a melee weapon (for cyclone) and some shield. What comes after Cold Iron Point? Aegis Aurora drops rapidly in price so I could probably grab that.
My skill tree is obviously a mess but that's easiest to fix.

Also regarding curses - are we manually casting them?

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Lindean#3649 написал:

So what can I do to get back on the right track? As I don't like dying in T6. Clear speed is fine as stacking Virulence on multiple targets is great but it's hard to get pass 40 on single target. Life on hit also gives decent tankiness but also falls off hard on single target.
Guess my chestplate is usable for some time. As it will take some time for proper Skin of the Lords to appear. What about rest of my equipment? I would need a melee weapon (for cyclone) and some shield. What comes after Cold Iron Point? Aegis Aurora drops rapidly in price so I could probably grab that.
My skill tree is obviously a mess but that's easiest to fix.

Also regarding curses - are we manually casting them?

Hi!

You can check my profile and character NioHails, I'm currently farming T10's due to the lack of finding higher maps. I'm casting curses myself, got a melee weapon and just did some upgrades.

Cyclone + Arcanist brand = easy max stacks.

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Lindean#3649 написал:

So what can I do to get back on the right track? As I don't like dying in T6. Clear speed is fine as stacking Virulence on multiple targets is great but it's hard to get pass 40 on single target. Life on hit also gives decent tankiness but also falls off hard on single target.
Guess my chestplate is usable for some time. As it will take some time for proper Skin of the Lords to appear. What about rest of my equipment? I would need a melee weapon (for cyclone) and some shield. What comes after Cold Iron Point? Aegis Aurora drops rapidly in price so I could probably grab that.
My skill tree is obviously a mess but that's easiest to fix.

Also regarding curses - are we manually casting them?

With your bow+rearguard you have good recovery while there are some enemies, but while moving you have no optimal defences.

And do not forget defensive layerings like corrupted blood, burning ground, bleeding, poison immunities etc., seems you don`t have them in your set-up. Each will kill you often.

Like ArcticWolf writes, bowskills produce only much lower HoA-virulences and so lower damage.

The best HoA-generators are like guided:

cyclone (lvl1)- (awakened) cast while channelling (lvl 5) - ball lightning of orbiting - tornadoes of elemental turbulences / frost shield

storm burst (lvl 2) - (awakened) cast while channeling (lvl 5) - ball lightning of static - tornado of elemental turbulences

The tornadoes you can trigger also cwdt, arcanist brand etc.

3 curses can be triggered in maps with asenaths gloves.

It still feels ultra squishy. Especially in areas/maps with close terrain like delve, toxic sewer, tomb maps, etc u end up spinning waiting cooldown on convo, or the minion to get smart.
Although spell damage looks somewhat safe with block and ss, it's the attack damage that gets you frequent one shots.Considering this is actually a melee build, an earlier tankier version would be appreciated

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panikouk#7916 написал:

It still feels ultra squishy. Especially in areas/maps with close terrain like delve, toxic sewer, tomb maps, etc u end up spinning waiting cooldown on convo, or the minion to get smart.
Although spell damage looks somewhat safe with block and ss, it's the attack damage that gets you frequent one shots.Considering this is actually a melee build, an earlier tankier version would be appreciated

I was having a quick look at your gear etc, but which tree are you following? It's WAY different than the one you should be following if you want to go for a tanky route.

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ArcticWolff#3330 написал:

Hi!

You can check my profile and character NioHails, I'm currently farming T10's due to the lack of finding higher maps. I'm casting curses myself, got a melee weapon and just did some upgrades.

Cyclone + Arcanist brand = easy max stacks.

Your equipment seems similar to mine, I'm not sure how I can improve my survivability to be able to go to tier 16. I got to red maps but now I'm getting one shot quite a lot and it's honestly just not fun, I feel like I hit a wall. Somehow at 40hrs played and lvl 87 I didn't even get one raw divine drop yet, just one from shipping and even if I got some I'm not sure which way to go further... Yes my amulet and helmet are bad but even if I improve those I don't think it would make much of a difference. I don't know how to survive Golden Rule, I'm not even close to be able to run Melding of the Flesh.

https://pobb.in/fECcIMY1wMro

My PoB says 320k eHP but I feel squishy as fuck, I'm even running Arctic armour but when I get to a map that has those skinny guys that throw fire balls I get instagibbed... Any way to improve without big investments or do I just stop playing?

Disclaimer: I have only gotten to level 64 on my journey with this build, so I may no know what I'm talking about. Please tell me if you think I'm wrong, I like to learn.

Edit: Added some more things I noticed, but adding them might have made my post confusing to read - sorry about that.

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Anejchy#7039 написал:

My PoB says 320k eHP [...]

Your PoB still has the pre-PoB-update ascendancy stats in the Custom Modifiers field under Configuration. Removing the duplicate modifiers (leaving only Punishment effect) does nothing to the survivability numbers, though, so this is not the problem with your eHP.

However, the PoB is set to 4 stages of Frost Shield, which you probably don't have the protection of constantly during mapping. Removing Frost Shield stacks entirely drops your eHP to ~162k.

I don't see Cyclone in your gem links. Are you channeling Storm Burst to trigger Ball Lightning? Standing still is pretty dangerous, even with maxed attack block (which you're not at). Spinning on top of enemies also increases the amount of hits with Ball Lightning of Orbiting.

You have the "Immune to Freeze, 44% reduced duraion"-mod on your Jade flask, meaning your uptime with it will be very low (unless you're somehow killing mobs absurdly fast) - and that flask is 23-30% of your eHP. Also, with or without the Jade flask up, Sin's Rebirth is only ~3% increased eHP (however, Blind calculations might make this higher, even though toggling Blind under Configuration does nothing - don't know how that works).

You are also not capped on Spell Suppression, meaning you'll get one-shot by spell skills sometimes, which feels bad... It IS hard to cap on this build, but it's another factor in your problems with dying. Maybe swap out Sin's Rebirth for a Quartz Flask?

Adding the "Lucky Spell Suppress"-mastery is a decent increase in eHP, and pairing that mastery with a Quartz flask brings your estimated Spell Suppress chance to 99%.

All in all, the worst case scenario (no Frost Shield, Jade flask down), your eHP drops from 320k to 125k

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Anejchy#7039 написал:

I'm even running Arctic armour [...]

Turning Arctic Armour on or off doesn't affect your eHP in the PoB. I don't see a "Are you stationary?"-toggle in the Configuration window, so I don't know if this is calculated at all.



All that said, I feel like the worst-case scenario of 125k should still be enough for mapping, so the only thing I can think of it that standing still to channel Storm Burst is super dangerrous, lol. Try Cyclone instead?

Even if none of the above is helpful to you, I thought having more accurate numbers in your PoB might help you troubleshoot further.

Thanks for the feedback, yeah for the PoB I just took what OP had and imported my stuff on it. I was using Storm burst as it seemed safer to throw out a few and then run around instead of running into groups and dieing also it was easier to get virulence than Cyclone. Seems I can switch now.

Totally forgot about flasks... Changed onslaught to quartz with increased armour, put spell damage leech to energy shield on my jade and it feels better now. Also dropped an Enduring Composure cluster jewel and put the lucky spell supress back on and it seems much better than before. Now I just have to drop a red map to test it out.
https://pobb.in/Y42jOkUCKtLz

Seems I might play a bit more :)