POE 2 Complete PC Freeze while loading screen

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Thalon#0722 написал:

Seems like people get really sour when they can't provide a good explanation on how the bug occurrs suddenly in a game that hadn't had patches, but still want the company that didn't change the code to be at fault.

Okay, keep trolling and feel reeeaaally smart.
You make me laugh a lot.

I mean I really feel sorry for everyone having troubles, but man up..

Literally everything you say make GGG look like a dogshit company LMAO
You make me laugh a lot.

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

Your lack of knowledge shows up here. Good-faith software and good-faith user are terms. "Good faith" or "good-faith" is a well-established legal term, widely used in various areas of law. It refers to the intention to act honestly, fairly, and without malice or intent to defraud others.

The opposite is "bad faith" or "bad-faith", which refer to actions or behavior that are dishonest, fraudulent, malicious, or intended to deceive or exploit others.

This is not about the law but how as software engineer you have to create your piece of software including critical ones like kms / firmware. Some of our components certified by the SEC to work with ECN. Every single user mode program is dangerous for the system. It doesn't matter is it bad designed buggy and glitchy "good faith" or "bad faith", the result is the same - compromised system.

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

When creating systems you must balance functionality with security. For a program to do what PoE2 is doing, a user has to purposefully install, give permissions, and in some cases, run in administrator mode, which elevates its privileges further.

So it's your responsibility when you grant elevated privileges for the buggy program. Don't use it.

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

An OS cannot stop such a vulnerability from existing, as the potential losses are lesser than potential gains. Why? Because normally such programs are installed from a trusted installer

I think you're completely missing the point what exactly "trusted installer" means.

Oh I forgot. In addition to my suggestion not to use the solutions that industry already implemented in the modern OS to prevent the damage and corruption, feel free not to use virtual address space, and go back to real mode, when all programs had shared physical memory space and weren't "jailed" in their individual kid rooms. Just... you know, just use "good faith" software and problem solved, right?

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

When talking about how to check for hardware damage you have said use chkdsk /f. The rest of your paragraph is tangential. You have offered a solution, which if you really have the credentials you claim to have should have known that it would have missed the hardware damage.

Ergo:
1) You were trying to trick the person in question into believing he had not incurred hardware damage, as your position in the argument was that it was impossible.

2) You are not knowledgeable enough on the subject and either you do not have the credentials you claim to have OR you simply do not deserve those credentials.

So, from the 3rd attempt you managed to fail again. Attempt #4, it's very short statement, I promise:
FIX FILESYSTEM LOGICAL ERRORS
Make a deep breath and start to read the statement letter by letter, slowly.

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

That crash is not this crash. We know it because the crash is not Nvidia specific.

How do you know? What if it's driver architecture specific and it has more than one cause? I already asked to kd this shit, because you can easily reproduce it and have all mdumps. So go on, kd it and show the things from inside. Symbols are also available.

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

Again: The bug NVIDIA refers to is not this problem. The problem they are fixing is another crash.

The dude has answered to the one who complained about PoE 2 freeze.

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

I am simply trying to comprehend why would people come to this thread and defend GGG by using faulty logic, misinformation, and/or deflection.

You can't comprehend anything, because you literally can't read and understand the simple statement from the 3rd attempt.

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give review based on your own personal opinion and don't listen to anyone who tries to mislead you or persuade you to make decisions that are beneficial to them. When you evaluate a product, keep in mind that it is in early access.

I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but why are you still arguing about chkdsk? That seriously goes back to the 50th page of this thread, lol.

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interbeing#5112 написал:

I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but why are you still arguing about chkdsk? That seriously goes back to the 50th page of this thread, lol.

Because he is literally lying. I NEVER EVER told what he states. It's total bs. Don't you see? 3 attempts without success, so he's doing it on purpose. Just a troll.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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interbeing#5112 написал:

I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but why are you still arguing about chkdsk? That seriously goes back to the 50th page of this thread, lol.

Because he is literally lying. I NEVER EVER told what he states. It's total bs. Don't you see? 3 attempts without success, so he's doing it on purpose. Just a troll.

Virtually everything we perceive is in some way deceptive and illusory. I don't know man, isn't there something better to discuss than chkdsk?

Bill Gates would appreciate the enthusiasm. I remember chkdsk being around since MS-DOS.

@ https - nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5608/~/geforce-hotfix-driver-version-566.45 is the newer driver - but this driver doesn't fix the issue with POE in my experience. So I'd probably hold off updating to that until someone from GGG comments after they return properly after xmas.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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interbeing#5112 написал:

I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but why are you still arguing about chkdsk? That seriously goes back to the 50th page of this thread, lol.

Because he is literally lying. I NEVER EVER told what he states. It's total bs. Don't you see? 3 attempts without success, so he's doing it on purpose. Just a troll.

You were on a topic discussing potential hardware damage and offered a solution that not only does not check for hardware damage but would most probably miss it except some fringe cases. Therefore it looked like you were trying to be misleading on purpose -if you are knowledgeable- or if we were to give you the benefit of doubt, simply inadequate and being way over your head.

Again. You came to a thread about HARDWARE damage and offered a solution that would miss the hardware damage. And you did this while berating someone, which is why I intervened and showed your lack of knowledge or revealed your maliciousness.

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give a negative review for Path of Exile 2 on Steam.

We are in for a world of hurt when AI even more fully infiltrates online discourse. ;)

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

You were on a topic discussing potential hardware damage and offered a solution that not only does not check for hardware damage but would most probably miss it except some fringe cases. Therefore it looked like you were trying to be misleading on purpose -if you are knowledgeable- or if we were to give you the benefit of doubt, simply inadequate and being way over your head.

Again. You came to a thread about HARDWARE damage and offered a solution that would miss the hardware damage. And you did this while berating someone, which is why I intervened and showed your lack of knowledge or revealed your maliciousness.

So, why don't you remove autochk from the boot-up tasks? Why don't you blame Microsoft for using this way to check the storage device for logical errors? You never ever stated that the user MUST prevent the execution the autochk in order to save the storage from the mess in case of physical damage.

This seems extremely inconsistent. The operating system performs this check independently without any user participation (by checking dirty bit @ boot up time), but if the user wants to do it manually, then personal attacks begin on your part. Go and blame Microsoft. Tell them to remove autochk or change the implicit parameter to /r which 100% will lead to even more problems.

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give a negative review for Path of Exile 2 on Steam.

Another one paid comment ^

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

This is not about the law but how as software engineer you have to create your piece of software including critical ones like kms / firmware. Some of our components certified by the SEC to work with ECN. Every single user mode program is dangerous for the system. It doesn't matter is it bad designed buggy and glitchy "good faith" or "bad faith", the result is the same - compromised system.

Those terms and the law behind them are based on a philosophy, which is also the base of ethics of software engineering.

For the remainder you can use what I've written before and do your own reading to further your knowledge. This way you can fix your understanding.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

When creating systems you must balance functionality with security. For a program to do what PoE2 is doing, a user has to purposefully install, give permissions, and in some cases, run in administrator mode, which elevates its privileges further.

So it's your responsibility when you grant elevated privileges for the buggy program. Don't use it.

This is what I've said. The problem in this case is the buggy program. But the program is buggy and if it was not, it would be able to make use of its privileges to provide the service, which its creators designed it in good-faith to provide.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

An OS cannot stop such a vulnerability from existing, as the potential losses are lesser than potential gains. Why? Because normally such programs are installed from a trusted installer

I think you're completely missing the point what exactly "trusted installer" means.

I am not referring to the trusted installer as the program TrustedInstaller.exe or any other trusted entity or process responsible for securely installing and maintaining software. I thought about using trusted provider but it felt iffy to write, and using trusted seller would have been better but both Steam and GGG and many such marketplaces also offer free services so they are not really pure sellers. But you are correct about the confusion it might create.

By trusted installer I was trying to refer to a service, which is recognized for consistently delivering high-quality goods or services, maintaining ethical business practices, and providing reliable customer support.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

Oh I forgot. In addition to my suggestion not to use the solutions that industry already implemented in the modern OS to prevent the damage and corruption, feel free not to use virtual address space, and go back to real mode, when all programs had shared physical memory space and weren't "jailed" in their individual kid rooms. Just... you know, just use "good faith" software and problem solved, right?

This wouldn't balance the scales of user freedom against system security. We cannot fully eliminate the risks posed by vulnerabilities arising from deliberate user actions because doing so would inhibit legitimate software functionality and user control. The assumption that most users install and run good-faith software from trusted sources justifies this trade-off, as the benefits of functionality and flexibility outweigh the potential risks.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

That crash is not this crash. We know it because the crash is not Nvidia specific.

How do you know? What if it's driver architecture specific and it has more than one cause? I already asked to kd this shit, because you can easily reproduce it and have all mdumps. So go on, kd it and show the things from inside. Symbols are also available.

Let me run you through this simple logic:
1) The crash occurs.
2) The crash occurs on NVIDIA.
3) The crash occurs on AMD.
4) The crash occurs on NVIDIA and AMD.

Due to crash happening with the same style, it is obvious that its source is beyond the GPU driver. The only thing that might have been done by NVIDIA is to somehow work around the source of the crash.

However the crash they are referring to is most likely one of the NVIDIA crashes (Broadcast crash, PoE1 = PoE2 crash, failed to create texture crash, high power use coupled with thermal crash, and so on...).

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

Again: The bug NVIDIA refers to is not this problem. The problem they are fixing is another crash.

The dude has answered to the one who complained about PoE 2 freeze.

There are multiple crashes that freezes PoE2. Some of which are NVIDIA specific, some like this one are not.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

I am simply trying to comprehend why would people come to this thread and defend GGG by using faulty logic, misinformation, and/or deflection.

You can't comprehend anything, because you literally can't read and understand the simple statement from the 3rd attempt.

Weird how you keep dodging it. None of your messages ever provided helpful information to anyone. You keep minimizing GGGs responsibilities. You constantly attack anyone who ever criticized GGG on this issue. In fact the reason I first had to correct you was because you were using faulty information to browbeat someone.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give review based on your own personal opinion and don't listen to anyone who tries to mislead you or persuade you to make decisions that are beneficial to them. When you evaluate a product, keep in mind that it is in early access.

When you evaluate a product, keep in mind that whether it is harmful to you or yours.

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give a negative review for Path of Exile 2 on Steam.