POE 2 Complete PC Freeze while loading screen

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

You were on a topic discussing potential hardware damage and offered a solution that not only does not check for hardware damage but would most probably miss it except some fringe cases. Therefore it looked like you were trying to be misleading on purpose -if you are knowledgeable- or if we were to give you the benefit of doubt, simply inadequate and being way over your head.

Again. You came to a thread about HARDWARE damage and offered a solution that would miss the hardware damage. And you did this while berating someone, which is why I intervened and showed your lack of knowledge or revealed your maliciousness.

So, why don't you remove autochk from the boot-up tasks? Why don't you blame Microsoft for using this way to check the storage device for logical errors? You never ever stated that the user MUST prevent the execution the autochk in order to save the storage from the mess in case of physical damage.

This seems extremely inconsistent. The operating system performs this check independently without any user participation (by checking dirty bit @ boot up time), but if the user wants to do it manually, then personal attacks begin on your part. Go and blame Microsoft. Tell them to remove autochk or change the implicit parameter to /r which 100% will lead to even more problems.

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give a negative review for Path of Exile 2 on Steam.

Another one paid comment ^

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

This is not about the law but how as software engineer you have to create your piece of software including critical ones like kms / firmware. Some of our components certified by the SEC to work with ECN. Every single user mode program is dangerous for the system. It doesn't matter is it bad designed buggy and glitchy "good faith" or "bad faith", the result is the same - compromised system.

Those terms and the law behind them are based on a philosophy, which is also the base of ethics of software engineering.

For the remainder you can use what I've written before and do your own reading to further your knowledge. This way you can fix your understanding.

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

When creating systems you must balance functionality with security. For a program to do what PoE2 is doing, a user has to purposefully install, give permissions, and in some cases, run in administrator mode, which elevates its privileges further.

So it's your responsibility when you grant elevated privileges for the buggy program. Don't use it.

This is what I've said. The problem in this case is the buggy program. But the program is buggy and if it was not, it would be able to make use of its privileges to provide the service, which its creators designed it in good-faith to provide.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

An OS cannot stop such a vulnerability from existing, as the potential losses are lesser than potential gains. Why? Because normally such programs are installed from a trusted installer

I think you're completely missing the point what exactly "trusted installer" means.

I am not referring to the trusted installer as the program TrustedInstaller.exe or any other trusted entity or process responsible for securely installing and maintaining software. I thought about using trusted provider but it felt iffy to write, and using trusted seller would have been better but both Steam and GGG and many such marketplaces also offer free services so they are not really pure sellers. But you are correct about the confusion it might create.

By trusted installer I was trying to refer to a service, which is recognized for consistently delivering high-quality goods or services, maintaining ethical business practices, and providing reliable customer support.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

Oh I forgot. In addition to my suggestion not to use the solutions that industry already implemented in the modern OS to prevent the damage and corruption, feel free not to use virtual address space, and go back to real mode, when all programs had shared physical memory space and weren't "jailed" in their individual kid rooms. Just... you know, just use "good faith" software and problem solved, right?

This wouldn't balance the scales of user freedom against system security. We cannot fully eliminate the risks posed by vulnerabilities arising from deliberate user actions because doing so would inhibit legitimate software functionality and user control. The assumption that most users install and run good-faith software from trusted sources justifies this trade-off, as the benefits of functionality and flexibility outweigh the potential risks.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

That crash is not this crash. We know it because the crash is not Nvidia specific.

How do you know? What if it's driver architecture specific and it has more than one cause? I already asked to kd this shit, because you can easily reproduce it and have all mdumps. So go on, kd it and show the things from inside. Symbols are also available.

Let me run you through this simple logic:
1) The crash occurs.
2) The crash occurs on NVIDIA.
3) The crash occurs on AMD.
4) The crash occurs on NVIDIA and AMD.

Due to crash happening with the same style, it is obvious that its source is beyond the GPU driver. The only thing that might have been done by NVIDIA is to somehow work around the source of the crash.

However the crash they are referring to is most likely one of the NVIDIA crashes (Broadcast crash, PoE1 = PoE2 crash, failed to create texture crash, high power use coupled with thermal crash, and so on...).

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

Again: The bug NVIDIA refers to is not this problem. The problem they are fixing is another crash.

The dude has answered to the one who complained about PoE 2 freeze.

There are multiple crashes that freezes PoE2. Some of which are NVIDIA specific, some like this one are not.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

I am simply trying to comprehend why would people come to this thread and defend GGG by using faulty logic, misinformation, and/or deflection.

You can't comprehend anything, because you literally can't read and understand the simple statement from the 3rd attempt.

Weird how you keep dodging it. None of your messages ever provided helpful information to anyone. You keep minimizing GGGs responsibilities. You constantly attack anyone who ever criticized GGG on this issue. In fact the reason I first had to correct you was because you were using faulty information to browbeat someone.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give review based on your own personal opinion and don't listen to anyone who tries to mislead you or persuade you to make decisions that are beneficial to them. When you evaluate a product, keep in mind that it is in early access.

When you evaluate a product, keep in mind that whether it is harmful to you or yours.

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give a negative review for Path of Exile 2 on Steam.

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

You were on a topic discussing potential hardware damage and offered a solution that not only does not check for hardware damage but would most probably miss it except some fringe cases. Therefore it looked like you were trying to be misleading on purpose -if you are knowledgeable- or if we were to give you the benefit of doubt, simply inadequate and being way over your head.

Again. You came to a thread about HARDWARE damage and offered a solution that would miss the hardware damage. And you did this while berating someone, which is why I intervened and showed your lack of knowledge or revealed your maliciousness.

So, why don't you remove autochk from the boot-up tasks? Why don't you blame Microsoft for using this way to check the storage device for logical errors? You never ever stated that the user MUST prevent the execution the autochk in order to save the storage from the mess in case of physical damage.

This seems extremely inconsistent. The operating system performs this check independently without any user participation (by checking dirty bit @ boot up time), but if the user wants to do it manually, then personal attacks begin on your part. Go and blame Microsoft. Tell them to remove autochk or change the implicit parameter to /r which 100% will lead to even more problems.

1) The people were talking about hardware damage.
2) You came in and told them in a very condescending manner to use chkdsk /f to check for damages.

Again the problem was not chkdsk /f, which you seem trying to imply. The problem was that you were misleading people as if it would have done something towards detecting HARDWARE damage...

Everyone knows what kind of person you are. Well there are people who thinks you are an AI from your lack of conversation tracking ability...

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give a negative review for Path of Exile 2 on Steam.

Another one paid comment ^[/quote]

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give a negative review for Path of Exile 2 on Steam.

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SilverInAtack#3324 написал:

Cant play the game it keep freezing and i need to force shut every 10 minutes or so and its not only between zones in game i had a freeze even in the game intro at the first 2 gears once i had to force shut down 5 times in a row its messing with my pc i wont play until its fixed i tried all possible settings / clear the cache / exclude folder in the windows defender / bes for -5% on processor / nothing work and i dont wanna install a fresh windows for this. this should be nr1 priority not making minions cost more spirit or random nonsense . people cant play the game and u fix nothing of worth . im on amd ryzen 5600x / 3070 sup with win 11 v24H2

I have the same problem , and have the same specs as you.

Bump since the thread is on Page 3.

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give a negative review for Path of Exile 2 on Steam. Please include excruciating details of how badly it hurts to remain unable to play this incredible (?) game.

This has become the most well thought out, well written QQ crybaby thread of all time.

Get a friggin grip. It's a known issue. You guys coming on the forums to troll and flame will only make you even more miserable.

All the sudden everyone and their sister has a PhD in computer science. And trying to influence people to write negativity only makes you look that much more like a crybaby.

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Gemonay#1977 написал:

This has become the most well thought out, well written QQ crybaby thread of all time.

Get a friggin grip. It's a known issue. You guys coming on the forums to troll and flame will only make you even more miserable.

All the sudden everyone and their sister has a PhD in computer science. And trying to influence people to write negativity only makes you look that much more like a crybaby.

True, but it's a thread full of people who can't play a flashy new game that is part of a genre known for its addictive nature. It's like alcoholics watching other people get drunk, barred from drinking anything themselves. What are they supposed to do?

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Gemonay#1977 написал:

This has become the most well thought out, well written QQ crybaby thread of all time.

Get a friggin grip. It's a known issue. You guys coming on the forums to troll and flame will only make you even more miserable.

All the sudden everyone and their sister has a PhD in computer science. And trying to influence people to write negativity only makes you look that much more like a crybaby.

What do you expect people to do? I bought EA expecting to play over the holidays (the only real time I get off work) and the game has been absolutely unplayable due to these bugs. It's not acceptable.

Devs will only attend to what the community is making noise about or what is directly impacting revenue, obviously people are going to continue to bump the thread and start posting negative reviews on steam after a certain point.

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interbeing#5112 написал:

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Gemonay#1977 написал:

This has become the most well thought out, well written QQ crybaby thread of all time.

Get a friggin grip. It's a known issue. You guys coming on the forums to troll and flame will only make you even more miserable.

All the sudden everyone and their sister has a PhD in computer science. And trying to influence people to write negativity only makes you look that much more like a crybaby.

True, but it's a thread full of people who can't play a flashy new game that is part of a genre known for its addictive nature. It's like alcoholics watching other people get drunk, barred from drinking anything themselves. What are they supposed to do?

I mean, it's the holidays when a bunch of people presumably planned to be playing this game and it's been unplayable for some 1000s of people. It's not unreasonable to expect a portion of that group to complain.

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Cainrith#2807 написал:

Weird how you keep dodging it. None of your messages ever provided helpful information to anyone. You keep minimizing GGGs responsibilities. You constantly attack anyone who ever criticized GGG on this issue. In fact the reason I first had to correct you was because you were using faulty information to browbeat someone.

I understand you're arguing in good faith, but there is no point in discoursing with Cursor. This guy has been, from day 1 of these issues, working overtime in every thread associated with this crash essentially saying "lol, get f***ed idiot, not GGG fault, your own problem".

It's self-evident he's acting in bad faith, and doesn't care about actually helping people try and solve this issue (despite the fact that this is 100% GGG's problem to resolve as this doesn't occur consistently on ANY other game across this many different configurations of modern hardware).

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cursorTarget#1174 написал:

Furthermore, I ask anyone who sees this message to please give review based on your own personal opinion and don't listen to anyone who tries to mislead you or persuade you to make decisions that are beneficial to them. When you evaluate a product, keep in mind that it is in early access.

More bootlicking. Here is my opinion, people paid for access. They don't have access. They can't play the game. Glad I escaped paying this time due to my previous support. I feel horrible for the people that paid and are experiencing this issue alongside me.

What exactly drives you to post nonstop in these threads doing nothing but **** riding? How much are you getting paid?