Road to 100 and the XP issue

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Nyon#6673 написал:

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Toforto#2372 написал:

And before anyone says "lvl100 is an achievement". No it isn't, never was and never will be. Not in Softcore Trade anyways. Nobody cares in this mode if you hit 100, so just let players passively actually reach that goal instead of it being always impossible and far away unless you pay X divines for exp carries. This is an RPG, hitting 100 should be expected not something that takes an unnecessarily long time to reach. When max level is so unattainable then people will just get bored with the game faster and quit cus they run out of goals quicker. But if 100 is actually balanced right then people will hit 100 on one build then farm what they enjoy on it and build up currency for a 2nd build.

1. It by definition is an achievement. Its hard to do, takes alot of time and theres a leaderboard showing who has managed it. I cant think of a more text book definition of an achievement.

2. If "nobody cares" then why do you care?

3. Look at it from the other side, why is it so important to you that you reach lvl 100 even tho you apparently dont find it any fun to do?
The reason is that you also would find it fun to manage this achievement. But your not good enough so you just want them to nerf the game down to your level so that you dont have to be envious of others. You should use more of your effort on getting better at the game instead of begging them to ruin it for others.

Man stop trying to de-rail the topic and gaslight people. Nobody that complains about exp loss is talking about lvl100. That's not what any of these threads are about. Nobody cares about ladder.

What people don't like is X amount of hours of their progress of mapping getting deleted when they die, doesn't matter if they died at lvl99 or 96 its still the game taking away the progress they have earned. This is unacceptable to have in any game in the current year lmfao

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Nyon#6673 написал:

2. If "nobody cares" then why do you care?

lol. called it.

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Nyon#6673 написал:

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Valsacar#0268 написал:

You seem to be confused about what level 100 is here. This is not D4 where 100 is where things start. In POE1/2 level 100 is an achievement and not at all required to beat any content.

The only reason people in POE1 can hit 100 faster is 5-ways and other abused mechanics that let you buy levels from other players.

Either lvl 100 is intended to be reached or it's not intended to be reached.

How it is now with the insane grind + exp-penalty on death the game literally tells you to fuck off even musing reaching it.

For all of D4's fault, the paragon system is far from one of them.

Its not intended to be reached in the same way that your not intended to complete all steam achievements in all games you try.

Its there as an accomplishment/achievement if you enjoy going for the grind or if you wanna participate in the race.
Its not a requirement that you have this as a goal and its not a necessity for completing the content in the game.

Its pretty simple, if you dont think its fun grinding for days to reach level 100, then dont do it.
Dont complain about having to do something that no one is forcing you to do.

part of the issue is, people want some measurable form of progress.

in poe1, it can come in the form of completion 40/40.
it can also come in the form of mageblood. "finally got my mageblood, a milestone"

in poe2, with bad loot and no decent chase items, no completions.... it all falls on xp.
also in poe1, xp gain is much better so, people might not feel the loss to be that extensive to warrant forum crying, at least not to this extent, eventhough i do know some to do so.

so theres some psychology to it too.

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Toforto#2372 написал:

Man stop trying to de-rail the topic and gaslight people. Nobody that complains about exp loss is talking about lvl100. That's not what any of these threads are about. Nobody cares about ladder.

What people don't like is X amount of hours of their progress of mapping getting deleted when they die, doesn't matter if they died at lvl99 or 96 its still the game taking away the progress they have earned. This is unacceptable to have in any game in the current year lmfao

1. Thread is called "ROAD TO 100 and the xp issue"

2. Your the one talking about it in your own comment.

3. Somehow im the one "derailing" the conversation by pointing out your flaws.

Just calm down your participation trophy mentality.
You cant say things like "nobody cares" then go on a rant about how mad you are because you cant achieve it and then expect no one to point out the irony.

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Nyon#6673 написал:

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Toforto#2372 написал:

Man stop trying to de-rail the topic and gaslight people. Nobody that complains about exp loss is talking about lvl100. That's not what any of these threads are about. Nobody cares about ladder.

What people don't like is X amount of hours of their progress of mapping getting deleted when they die, doesn't matter if they died at lvl99 or 96 its still the game taking away the progress they have earned. This is unacceptable to have in any game in the current year lmfao

1. Thread is called "ROAD TO 100 and the xp issue"

2. Your the one talking about it in your own comment.

3. Somehow im the one "derailing" the conversation by pointing out your flaws.

Just calm down your participation trophy mentality.
You cant say things like "nobody cares" then go on a rant about how mad you are because you cant achieve it and then expect no one to point out the irony.

I literally don't care about lvl100 though. You just say that I do. I care about the hours of earned progress that the game wrongfully steals away from players. The game has no right to take away my exp that I earned by killing monsters. It's that simple. This game doesn't respect the player's time and that's a fact.

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LiMA6#0387 написал:

part of the issue is, people want some measurable form of progress.

in poe1, it can come in the form of completion 40/40.
it can also come in the form of mageblood. "finally got my mageblood, a milestone"

in poe2, with bad loot and no decent chase items, no completions.... it all falls on xp.
also in poe1, xp gain is much better so, people might not feel the loss to be that extensive to warrant forum crying, at least not to this extent, eventhough i do know some to do so.

so theres some psychology to it too.

Deffinetly alot missing from the game but I would think it natural that the default "goal" would be to beat arbiter since hes the last boss?

And if someone doesnt enjoy grinding to level 100 then its natural you dont do it. Theres like 40 other ways to progress your characters strength.

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Nyon#6673 написал:

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LiMA6#0387 написал:

part of the issue is, people want some measurable form of progress.

in poe1, it can come in the form of completion 40/40.
it can also come in the form of mageblood. "finally got my mageblood, a milestone"

in poe2, with bad loot and no decent chase items, no completions.... it all falls on xp.
also in poe1, xp gain is much better so, people might not feel the loss to be that extensive to warrant forum crying, at least not to this extent, eventhough i do know some to do so.

so theres some psychology to it too.

Deffinetly alot missing from the game but I would think it natural that the default "goal" would be to beat arbiter since hes the last boss?

And if someone doesnt enjoy grinding to level 100 then its natural you dont do it. Theres like 40 other ways to progress your characters strength.

i don't expect common sense to apply to the majority of people. im merely trying to understand this phenomenon -- why people are chasing after xp when it truly isn't as impactful as obtaining finer gear.

truth is, poe/poe2 in their current form do not have any real objective. you need to figure out what you like doing.

for some, reaching 100 is the goal.
my friend rushes 40/40 asap and then consider it league done and quits.
for some, its making 100 mirrors
for some its acquiring the very best items in the game
theres one guy in poe1 i know of who rushes to have multiple lvl100 characters, one ascendency each. and yes he gets through it.

but what do casuals know? the only measure of progress to them is xp. (while being terrible at sustaining it)

and in poe2, somewhat, i cant blame them. i only wish that if they find it so important, they'd spend a bit of time and effort educating themselves so they can reach their goal.

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Nyon#6673 написал:

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Toforto#2372 написал:

I literally don't care about lvl100 though. You just say that I do. I care about the hours of earned progress that the game wrongfully steals away from players. The game has no right to take away my exp that I earned by killing monsters. It's that simple. This game doesn't respect the player's time and that's a fact.

Yep you totally dont care, yet your on every thread complaining nonstop like a baby about not being able to reach 100, including a thread that has "road to 100" in the title.

The game has the right to do whatever it wants to do to you when you play like an imbecile and die repeatedly. If you dont like the rules then go do something productive.

I gave up on this guy, here he is again saying the game steals from you. No it doesnt. It doesnt steal anything. Theft happens no where in game with exp. Its the fucking rules. Use dictionary. I dont even like it, but jesus dude, get over it.

Sounds like you dont like game. Lots of others out there.

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JoannaDark#6252 написал:

I gave up on this guy, here he is again saying the game steals from you. No it doesnt. It doesnt steal anything. Theft happens no where in game with exp. Its the fucking rules. Use dictionary. I dont even like it, but jesus dude, get over it.

Sounds like you dont like game. Lots of others out there.

The moment you die and lose 10% exp, that progress has been stolen from you by the game. Which is why people want this to change.

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Toforto#2372 написал:

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JoannaDark#6252 написал:

I gave up on this guy, here he is again saying the game steals from you. No it doesnt. It doesnt steal anything. Theft happens no where in game with exp. Its the fucking rules. Use dictionary. I dont even like it, but jesus dude, get over it.

Sounds like you dont like game. Lots of others out there.

The moment you die and lose 10% exp, that progress has been stolen from you by the game. Which is why people want this to change.

tell me, isn't it only the minority complaining about this xp loss "non-problem" ?