Making Combat "Meaningful" in POE2, a 10y POE1 Vet View

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riotarchangel#2809 написал:

whoh buddy calm down, getting pissy while trying to sound smart is a really good way to sound dumb

also you just made comments about not knowing how poe played. how did you go from clueless to an expert in 20 minutes

Arpgs are all about power creep you really need to get this souls like arpg thing out of your head they are 2 incompatible things.

if GGG hates poe1 and wants to alienate the fanbase for a new niche crowd thats on them. but from a business standpoint its asking for trouble down the line.

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riotarchangel#2809 написал:

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Gordyne#2944 написал:

Problem is that many players got used to "breaking the game" and don't really care about build diversity. These guys will complain a lot because now they have to actually play the game instead of letting their build/gear play for them.

So yes, in theory, GGG should restrict player power in healthy ways in order to maintain true build diversity and "meaningful combat".

I'm not saying that they are doing a good job with the balance, but that at least their "guidelines" are kinda on point.

We can just wait and hope they will *nail* it. It's certainly a very hard task to develop this kind of mixed combat. It'll be a long wait.

thats a really long drawn out way of saying i have no idea how path of exile played at all and im making a ton of assumptions.

actually poe1 players comboed more (hit more buttons) than any build that has been meta in poe2.

not only did you have skills you had these things called utility flasks that you had to activate.

on top of that the gear in the game was interesting, and every build did not go for the exact same affixes on everything so there was a ton more build variety.

limiting the player power and making every mob a struggle removes the arpg aspect of the game. there are games that play like what your looking for. a great one is no rest for the wicked. highly recommend.

unfortunately alot of you people who came in with no knowledge of poe1 seem to not want an Arpg. the kind of game that GGG perfected. and GGG ignoring what they perfected to make something that does not even know its own identity is an issue.

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riotarchangel#2809 написал:

but your saying that there was no build diversity in poe1

the fact is there is so much more build diversity in 1 than there is in 2

the people playing 2 are mostly flocking to the broken builds that do exactly what the most broken builds do in poe1

the devs say they want a slow game but every league mechanic outside of expedition punishes you for playing slow and methodically like the devs want you to play.

deleruim- zoom and kill as fast as you can, cant keep up? playing a slow build? no soup for you

Breach- zoom zoom zoom kill kill kill, to slow, to bad the breach is gone.

Ritual- kill the mobs fast otherwise they will overwelm you- slow build? ok does not matter much here but not having the dps to not get overwhelmed could be.

its a clear sign that the devs of poe2 do not know what they want. if they hated the zoom zoom aspects of poe1 why import mechanics that are based on it in poe2 then expect people not to try to break the vision to farm them properly.

even the new mechanic wisps force you to chase them though packs of mobs gaining more aggro, if you cant clear fast enough or pull more you can handle and die the mechanic is over, and again its on a zoom zoom timer.

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KuroSF#6521 написал:

I'm going to give an alternate definition of meaningful combat..

If you close your eyes, you should die... fast.

Will that happen with lightning spear? no
new whirling slash build? no
ice strike? no

POE is defined by builds that a MONKEY could play, with his EYES CLOSED.

We don't want slow. We don't want parry. We want combat where we have to look and make choices and react... and the idea of making choices is definetly much easier if there are a choice of skills that might help right now... which means 1-button no-cooldown full screen AOE clearing builds need to die.

I think endgame mapping could get much faster and still be meaningful.. but it would require putting the big damage nukes on cooldowns, giving us reliable CC on a cooldown(not RNG CC, which you then nerf), and giving us more movement abilities.

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mrb0x1#1447 написал:

+1, same with dodge roll don't match the game.