Path Of Exile 2, from 500k to 50k players

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AIDA_TriEdge#4390 написал:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:

While there is no hard proof, there is evidence. Evidence some ppl here try to downplay as often as possible for whatever reason.

What evidence would that be though? You all are talking as if 0.1 was loot pinjata with divines raining everywhere. Played almost all through out 0.1 and drops were just as terrible as 0.2. A divine here and there, a perfect jeweler here and there. I've yet to see any palpable difference in drops. What i do see is there not being a considerable ammount of new things to do in 0.2. Besides the hunter and wisps what else is new? End game is the same with little less busy work. Wouldn't the fact that there's nothing new to do be the bigger issue why more people didn't come back? Or did come back and quit for example because they didn't like huntress after trying it?

you continiusly and blindly ignore all overnefs was made for classes,skills, passives, sockets, mechanics, endgame loot, and only after that loot drop rate it's self.
You just ignoring fact that endgame for 0.1 was t4 pinnacle bosses because their loot was desireble. Now is only t18 maps is your real endgame. 0.1 uber late build could cost 2+ mirrors. For now spending more than 200 divines is pointless.

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ShaDarkLord#6528 написал:

you continiusly and blindly ignore all overnefs was made for classes,skills, passives, sockets, mechanics, endgame loot, and only after that loot drop rate it's self.
You just ignoring fact that endgame for 0.1 was t4 pinnacle bosses because their loot was desireble. Now is only t18 maps is your real endgame. 0.1 uber late build could cost 2+ mirrors. For now spending more than 200 divines is pointless.

You're confusing me with some1 else. The post i quoted only talked about loot.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:

Back in "Lake of Kalandra" the top players (solo) AND, more importantly, the farming groups like Empy's reported that the loot is too low. Something was broken and or changed.
GGG aside for a second, a huge part of the community said "Nyo, the loot is as good as always because in 50 hours I got 1 div last league and after 50 hours 1 div this league yadda yadda".
Fast forward to the end of that event - GGG literally shadow nerfed loot, and the players/groups who reported these issues were right.

You can cope as much as you want, but do you remember the changes they made in 0.2 that affect loot? I do.

What exactly am I coping with? I said the loot is just as bad as it was 0.1 and that i believe there are bigger reasons that impacted the numbers.

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What i do see is there not being a considerable ammount of new things to do in 0.2.

so that's only for loot related changes?

Now we wait for the 50k to 5k players and i hope its fast

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ShaDarkLord#6528 написал:

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What i do see is there not being a considerable ammount of new things to do in 0.2.

so that's only for loot related changes?

That's related to changes for "stuff to do"? As in no new mechanics to invest your time in. What you were doing in 0.1, you're doing in 0.2 too with less busy work as far as towers are concerned. And i believe that has more weight on player retention.

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AIDA_TriEdge#4390 написал:

What exactly am I coping with? I said the loot is just as bad as it was 0.1 and that i believe there are bigger reasons that impacted the numbers.

That loot is as bad as 0.1 - when it's worse.

They want us to play 3+ Button Builds but sometimes i cant even press 1 Button before i get jumped on or zerged by fast mobs. sometimes im circeling arount 2 Mobs just to try to get my combo done, this is beyond stupid and no fun at all.

Im now in at 80 hours playing T15 maps, irriadated and +1 and still i havend found a single divine. tho im doing all league mechanics i can find.

Endgame feels complete worthless. Just playing for nothing and asking myself, why am i doing this? Dont get new gear, dont get currency to buy new gear or buy stuff for a second char.

The only goals i reach is map completion.

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flipmode949#6802 написал:

They want us to play 3+ Button Builds but sometimes i cant even press 1 Button before i get jumped on or zerged by fast mobs. sometimes im circeling arount 2 Mobs just to try to get my combo done, this is beyond stupid and no fun at all.

Im now in at 80 hours playing T15 maps, irriadated and +1 and still i havend found a single divine. tho im doing all league mechanics i can find.

Endgame feels complete worthless. Just playing for nothing and asking myself, why am i doing this? Dont get new gear, dont get currency to buy new gear or buy stuff for a second char.

The only goals i reach is map completion.

Feels like the only constructive criticism in this thread.

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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:

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AIDA_TriEdge#4390 написал:

What exactly am I coping with? I said the loot is just as bad as it was 0.1 and that i believe there are bigger reasons that impacted the numbers.

That loot is as bad as 0.1 - when it's worse.

And the evidence being? Anecdotal at best.You'll say this person said it, that person said it, these people said it, you feel it while i'm feeling no difference between 0.1 and 0.2 and it being just as bad. There are people on global who feel it's better because they got more exalts during the campaign. Hell, for the sake of the argument let's leave it at "you're right and i'm wrong". You come back to a new league for new stuff to do and in 0.2 there's really nothing new to do so loot isn't the primary offender of why 250k out of the 500k didn't come back.

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AIDA_TriEdge#4390 написал:

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JakkerONAIR#4902 написал:

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AIDA_TriEdge#4390 написал:

What exactly am I coping with? I said the loot is just as bad as it was 0.1 and that i believe there are bigger reasons that impacted the numbers.

That loot is as bad as 0.1 - when it's worse.

And the evidence being? Anecdotal at best.You'll say this person said it, that person said it, these people said it, you feel it while i'm feeling no difference between 0.1 and 0.2 and it being just as bad. There are people on global who feel it's better because they got more exalts during the campaign. Hell, for the sake of the argument let's leave it at "you're right and i'm wrong". You come back to a new league for new stuff to do and in 0.2 there's really nothing new to do so loot isn't the primary offender of why 250k out of the 500k didn't come back.

When you play a game for over a hundred hours the numbers at some point simply dont lie anymore. I have never ever played an ARPG before where during the first 100 hours the loot felt completely different than over the next hundred hours and that only being bias. That may go for a couple hours but eventually it will even out.
In thousands of hours of D2, a game with very sparse drops, there were never swings like this over such a long time. Maybe you have a bad loot for one evening with the same build and gear but not over weeks unless the devs severly tweaked the numbers. The many ppl complaining here about it - most of them providing their own several hundred hours of gameplay - further confirm it. We are not dumb. Ofc the loot changed drastically downwards. If you can still feel it after hundreds of hours then at some point it just becomes undeniable.

Another hint would be: Have they ever denied it to this day? The "no loot" problem/accusation of 0.2 came up on the very first days of 0.2 release here, on reddit, on yt, everywhere and it wasnt present anywhere near the end of 0.1. Ppl immediately realized things were vastly different from 0.1 and voiced it very loudly. Have the devs in any interview or patch notes/hotfix announcements ever denied it? Would you just accept this outrage as a dev if it was all made up? Or would you set things straight at the first opportunity you get?