PoE 2 is turning into PoE1 eventually...

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ryuukk33#4998 написал:

Be like RaizQT, say that you hate PoE 1 combat, say that you love PoE 2, say that the methodical and tactical gameplay is awesome, say "i love my buttons", then play 1 button warcry build the whole league

It's perfectly understandable and logical. What's the problem with this?

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Dxt44#4050 написал:

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ryuukk33#4998 написал:

Be like RaizQT, say that you hate PoE 1 combat, say that you love PoE 2, say that the methodical and tactical gameplay is awesome, say "i love my buttons", then play 1 button warcry build the whole league

It's perfectly understandable and logical. What's the problem with this?

And that's the whole point, you don't care, I do


PoE 2 deserves to get the best combat it can have, yall are detracting that goal

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ryuukk33#4998 написал:

And that's the whole point, you don't care, I do

I guess you don't get it really.
Methodical and tactical gameplay is awesome but for the 2% of the time. In the game which require grind as fast as possible it's not something you want do. And if you start league with some slow methodical dogshit build you have shit experience whole league.

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Dxt44#4050 написал:

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ryuukk33#4998 написал:

And that's the whole point, you don't care, I do

I guess you don't get it really.
Methodical and tactical gameplay is awesome but for the 2% of the time. In the game which require grind as fast as possible it's not something you want do. And if you start league with some slow methodical dogshit build you have shit experience whole league.

That's because you don't know how to make one, I'd say it's a skill issue and that's on you

That's not because you can't, that other people can't


Again, don't impose mediocrity on everyone only because you don't know any better

You either choose to ascend and empower everyone, or you step away and let people who can, do

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Dxt44#4050 написал:

If I'm stupid and my memory fails me, didn't Jonathan himself say that at some point we would reach the level of PoE1 but they try postpone it as long as they can? Why is anyone surprised by that, or why do they have expectations, when even GGG knows how this is going to end?

Nobody bought EA supporter pack to fund PoE 1 again

We bought a supporter pack because we were all sick of PoE 1

GGG made PoE 2 because they couldn't make the changes they wanted in PoE 1 because yall were crying (3.15? 3.17?)



Anyways, nobody is arguing about the speed, wether it is slow or fast it doesn't matter, that is not the point, you can have a good combat system with any of them


The problem is in PoE 2, the combat system doesn't matter since the outcome of any of your attack is to obliterate the screen all at once.., this by itself makes the discourse of slow vs fast pointless, the core issue is elsewhere, it lies in both Combat/Skill/EnemyAI, the people in charge of these domains don't know how to take advantage of both WASD and the insane Art

Just take a look at Rake, it only got one basic animation


If GGG doesn't put melee as its pillar core design, nothing will ever change

PoE 2 gameplay = Vampire Survivor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8htFJbKgb0


But i fear that the damage is already done..



Revisionists are winning, and we only have Jon to blame..

I believe in GGG, but they don't seem to care

Why are you focusing on amount of alt-animations for an attack? Rake is by far my favorite skill to play with. It has a very unique play style that requires good timing esp if you play Huntress, awareness of the environment, dodging threats and using alternatives for risky situations and CC. Rake is the antithesis of PoE1 combat since you literally cant hold a button to use it effectively. Its like the worst skill you could choose to make your argument with and you only holding onto an alt-animations. something purely cosmetic and irrelevant to your main argument.

this, and you posting some misleading charts, random reddit posts like they mean anything makes me think you are not very serious or maybe just lost.

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AintCare#6513 написал:

Why are you focusing on amount of alt-animations for an attack? Rake is by far my favorite skill to play with. It has a very unique play style that requires good timing esp if you play Huntress, awareness of the environment, dodging threats and using alternatives for risky situations and CC. Rake is the antithesis of PoE1 combat since you literally cant hold a button to use it effectively. Its like the worst skill you could choose to make your argument with and you only holding onto an alt-animations. something purely cosmetic and irrelevant to your main argument.

That's precisely why I'm focusing on Rake, it's the closest thing we have from having a satisfying melee archetype, it having only just 1 animation makes me believe GGG didn't think of it as such, it's boring to use, its animation is lackluster, not impactul, it doesn't synergies with anything Huntress has to offer, the whole "melee bleed" = DoT is cringe AF

It needs more combo opportunities and we need more melee skills

If you can't see any of that, if you can't see how everyone ended up using it as a mere movement skill

If you think animations are "purely cosmetic and IRRELEVANT????? to the main argument, you are the one who is lost and not serious

Animation is what drives a good and satisfying combat system, it is ESSENTIAL to get right


Remember when GGG bragged about having a new rig system for PoE 2? how the animators would be able to create satisfying melee skills, how they hated making melee skills for PoE 1 and how PoE 2 would change everything for melee?

Now, friend, tell me how many melee skills Huntress got?


Rake is the antithesis of PoE1, exactly, give it more love

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AintCare#6513 написал:

this, and you posting some misleading charts

misleading charts? this is the best chart we have to close the mouth of those who keep saying "nobody wants methodical combat", EA's successful launch is due to what people had to play in the first week, when nothing was figured, when people had to explore, wen people had to fight and not blast

if you think it's a misleading chart, you are the one who is not serious, you can't see, you don't care

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AintCare#6513 написал:

random reddit posts like they mean anything makes me think you are not very serious or maybe just lost.

Again, that sentiment is all over reddit, all over content creators chats, if you can't see how the narrative is being falsified, you are the one who is not serious

The more i read you, the more you seem to side with blasters and the camp who wants PoE 2 to be yet another 2nd monitor screen, sad

maybe focus less on picking 'sides' and more on making your arguments strong. you were referring to alt-animations, not animations itself, lack of alt-animations was your argument. Rake animation is not the best in the game but its pretty solid for how simple it is. it just looks like you are shifting goal posts and trying to attack everything without seeing any positives. labeling graphs in MS paint and screensshotting reddit out of all other possible places doesn't add to you arguments neither, at least to me. I'm not picking sides and i recommend same to you.

I prefer slow gameplay...

My issue was while I was having fun going slow, someone was zooming and getting all loot to manipulate economy so I can't progress with my character in the future

poe1 to me suck because there is a lot of visual going on screen

If we had the combo skill poe2 was designed to have, would be 10/10

but, using poe1 as base, made some breach so that some builds that could make it to be zoomy...

but try delivering 0.3 nerfing that speed. Ppl will scream poe2 sucks.

And we cannot have on this game both things. Either put it all slow (and suffer from backslash) or go zoomy and profit

That's how market work. And GGG will not buy this fight for being the best game. It could be he best game, but with ppl complaining about it instead of finding its purpose.... not gonna happen

With luck... we can get zoomy on EA for some patchs and go decreasing speed on updates till launch...

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AintCare#6513 написал:

I'm not picking sides and i recommend same to you.

Good point, however, you did

Who is surprised. When they first shown Gameplay of slow gameplay. I told myself, give it a couple of seasons and PoE 2 will turned into PoE1 braindead zoom zoom.

Imagine the effort they put to PoE2, they could just Upgrade graphics of PoE1 and add the areas in PoE2 as new zones for the game...

Saving GGG the logistic issues to balance 2 games in timely matter that satisfied long time fans, and new ones, which they obviously struggled now.

ActionRPG, a content creator was slightly upset the PoE 2 next league will launch after LE next season. He said GGG will NOT made the mistake to launch before LE, as GGG will worry if they screw up again like they did in April, it will give LE a bump in players....


IMO, I am personally not a fan of the slow gameplay or the darksoul lite wannabe, but I know people like them, and its different from the usually fast pace arpg every other arpg is turning into. Its a shame to change it to appealed to wider audience for extra bucks, and lose it identity.