Merchant tab is NOT an upgrade.

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Cadmus185#9233 написал:

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Woogie#5583 написал:

The fact that you cannot access your tabs until ACT 4 is actually crazy. Not sure what they were thinking on that.

I don't play poe1 but yeah that is absolutely absurd they disappear from that game, they should at least warn you.

I think this was intentional for New System Launch

#1- Keeps Bots from accessing right away, have to get to act 4 to do their thing

#2- Limits the amount of players at once, so issues can be addressed quickly before the entire game population get to it. Think about it, 200k ppl access and something is bugged and lose all their items... a lot worse than say 1000 people. I am sure it will change in the future, but it was actually a smart decision to make From a technical and developer viewpoint, remember EA is not for players, it is for Devs.

They did warn, they said it several times in the Q and As. They will be removed from POE 1, and when this feature gets added to POE 1, these Merchant tabs will carry over. Clearly no one was listening.

Not sure why anyone is under the impression that bots can't play the game lol.
Gold and progression are small speed bump for them at best and that's assuming that they are actually bots instead of people that live where a few USD per day is good money.

You're scrutinizing the first version of a system released just recently while comparing it to an existing system that has been built out and used for many years. For this reason, a direct comparison is stupid.

However, it looks like you're criticizing the implementation rather than the concept, which is fair. Everything you listed would be an "extension" or a post-development improvement to be made as time goes on.


Here are some pros of the merchant system for consideration:


1. The merchant system prevents price fixing. People will try to list an item for a highly undervalued price, without ever actually intending to sell it. Then, the person will hope to trick others into listing a similar item for a low price so they can purchase it and gain a substantial profit. If the fixer tries this now, their item will simply be purchased at the low rate and the listing will be removed.

2. The merchant system prevents petty forms of scamming. Players will sometimes try to alter trade message to indicate a different amount or even simply place a different amount into the trade window (10 chaos instead of placing 10 divine) in the small hope that you wont notice. The seller may also attempt to place a similar but false item into the trade (such as an item with +5 str instead of +50 str).

3. The merchant system provides an instantaneous online/offline access to a sellers items. This allows users to get what they need without having to deal with unresponsive people or reactionary upsellers ("the price just went up!").

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ScavengeBR#7569 написал:

You're scrutinizing the first version of a system released just recently while comparing it to an existing system that has been built out and used for many years. For this reason, a direct comparison is stupid.

In a vacuum this is true. However they label it as an upgrade, indicating it's a continuation of the previous which then makes it 100% valid to compare the two.

And no, the implementation I don't really care too much about. If it was its own tab, not labeled or offered as an "upgrade", I wouldn't have cared for even one second.

And this is not a post criticizing the merchant system, I think the system is great.


What I am criticizing is the removal of previous functions and content we have paid for.

When I "upgraded" my Premium Tab to Merchant Tab there was plenty of warning and disclaimers during the process that informed me I would not be able to store items in those tabs and about other restrictions.

Went something like this:

"Premium Stash Tabs purchased before the release of 0.3.0 can be upgraded to Merchant's Tabs for free. Please note that this upgrade is permanent and cannot be undone.

Merchant's Tabs can be used to sell your items to other players without being present for the sale. These are not regular Stash Tabs, and are not accessible at your Stash. Find Ange in Kingsmarch to establish a hideout, then begin managing your shop and selling your items.

This upgrade option is currently not available for Stash Tabs that were converted to Premium Stash Tabs via the "Upgrade to Premium Stash Tab" purchase. We're looking into enabling this as soon as possible.

Keep in mind that stash tabs are shared across your account. Once upgraded, a tab will no longer be accessible in Path of Exile 1 until Merchant's Tabs are supported there. Items stored in an upgraded tab will remain in a remove-only version of the original Premium Stash Tab."

and when I clicked upgrade I got confirmation question
"Are you sure you want to upgrade this Premium Stash Tab to a Merchant's Tab?"
with 2 options "Upgrade to a Merchant's Tab" and "Cancel"

I didn't have to watch any announcements or extra media. All the information was provided in the stash tab upgrade menu.

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Dwhym#5366 написал:

When I "upgraded" my Premium Tab to Merchant Tab there was plenty of warning and disclaimers during the process that informed me I would not be able to store items in those tabs and about other restrictions.

Went something like this:

"Premium Stash Tabs purchased before the release of 0.3.0 can be upgraded to Merchant's Tabs for free. Please note that this upgrade is permanent and cannot be undone.

Merchant's Tabs can be used to sell your items to other players without being present for the sale. These are not regular Stash Tabs, and are not accessible at your Stash. Find Ange in Kingsmarch to establish a hideout, then begin managing your shop and selling your items.

This upgrade option is currently not available for Stash Tabs that were converted to Premium Stash Tabs via the "Upgrade to Premium Stash Tab" purchase. We're looking into enabling this as soon as possible.

Keep in mind that stash tabs are shared across your account. Once upgraded, a tab will no longer be accessible in Path of Exile 1 until Merchant's Tabs are supported there. Items stored in an upgraded tab will remain in a remove-only version of the original Premium Stash Tab."

and when I clicked upgrade I got confirmation question
"Are you sure you want to upgrade this Premium Stash Tab to a Merchant's Tab?"
with 2 options "Upgrade to a Merchant's Tab" and "Cancel"

I didn't have to watch any announcements or extra media. All the information was provided in the stash tab upgrade menu.

No where in there does it say it loses the base functionality of storage that a premium stash tab has. Only that it's not available until Kingsmarch etc.

It just should never have been able to be a switch between the two. It's like offering a switch from premium tabs into currency tabs and saying that's an upgrade. Oh, you can't use it as before? Well at least you can store ALOT more currency. Why not offer that upgrade as well then? Or to any other tab that has a different type of advantage over premium tabs at that point?

Like it just doesn't make sense to me.

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DevourerAdol#4490 написал:

Also worth mentioning, you can not even store certain items. Uncut gems, currency, essence, runes/soul cores and probably stuff I haven't yet unlocked like delirium etc.

As someone who doesn't really interact with trade...
Is this complaint just "I can't use Merchant Tabs to sell things that get sold on the Currency Exchange"?

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DevourerAdol#4490 написал:

No where in there does it say it loses the base functionality of storage that a premium stash tab has. Only that it's not available until Kingsmarch etc.

" These are not regular Stash Tabs, and are not accessible at your Stash." is pretty clear to me. By the way you can still store items in those tabs it is just less convenient if you are not actively trying to sell them.

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DevourerAdol#4490 написал:

It just should never have been able to be a switch between the two. It's like offering a switch from premium tabs into currency tabs and saying that's an upgrade. Oh, you can't use it as before? Well at least you can store ALOT more currency. Why not offer that upgrade as well then? Or to any other tab that has a different type of advantage over premium tabs at that point?

Like it just doesn't make sense to me.

What does not make sense to me (if you think about it) is to offer the option to "switch" tabs from one kind to another if they worked exactly the same + given extra functionality. If the Merchant Tabs were to work exactly like Premium Tabs but just with extra option then it would make absolutely zero sense for the GGG to even offer the switch in the first place. Just add new function to the tabs by default and there is no need to involve players in any way whatsoever.

The only scenario where it could otherwise make sense would be some kind of "limited time free offer". I have not seen GGG announce any kind of deadline nor any additional fees if the switch was not made in set time. I also doubt they would try to gouge extra cash from people that already paid for Premium Tabs in the first place.

Merchant Tabs are very close in functionality to Premium Tabs which are mostly used for "automated" trade in the first place. You can still store items in them just not from your stash as explicitly stated by GGG. The only "functionality" you lose from Premium Tabs is setting fixed price for a specific tab (which is a function GGG hopefully implements for Merchant Tabs in the future) and setting affinity which would make no sense to have in a tab dedicated to trading items that are not currency nor share any affinity except maybe for unique items. So comparing the switch to Currency Tab is too much out there to make for a reasonable example.

I can understand that if I "upgraded" all (except 4 because they were supposed to be unavailable for upgrade) my Premium Tabs to Merchant Tabs without fully understanding the change especially if I played PoE1 a lot I would be very disappointed to say it lightly.
I hope there is some way to appeal it and restore some of your tabs and that your example would serve as a warning to GGG that they have to improve the communication even further. But you don't have to misrepresent and deny the warnings and explanations or functionality offered by the tabs that are clearly there.

SSF sounds a viable option.

lol, this implementation

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Dwhym#5366 написал:

What does not make sense to me (if you think about it) is to offer the option to "switch" tabs from one kind to another if they worked exactly the same + given extra functionality. If the Merchant Tabs were to work exactly like Premium Tabs but just with extra option then it would make absolutely zero sense for the GGG to even offer the switch in the first place. Just add new function to the tabs by default and there is no need to involve players in any way whatsoever.

They should have worked exactly like premium tabs in my opinion. Should never been a reason not to. There should never had to have been a switch/upgrade.

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Dwhym#5366 написал:

The only scenario where it could otherwise make sense would be some kind of "limited time free offer". I have not seen GGG announce any kind of deadline nor any additional fees if the switch was not made in set time. I also doubt they would try to gouge extra cash from people that already paid for Premium Tabs in the first place.

There's the scenario where they just make premium tabs marketable.

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Dwhym#5366 написал:

Merchant Tabs are very close in functionality to Premium Tabs which are mostly used for "automated" trade in the first place. You can still store items in them just not from your stash as explicitly stated by GGG. The only "functionality" you lose from Premium Tabs is setting fixed price for a specific tab (which is a function GGG hopefully implements for Merchant Tabs in the future) and setting affinity which would make no sense to have in a tab dedicated to trading items that are not currency nor share any affinity except maybe for unique items. So comparing the switch to Currency Tab is too much out there to make for a reasonable example.

They are not at all very close in functionality to premium tabs. There are multiple types of item types(I listed some of the items in a previous reply) you can not store in them on top of not having affinity, being available at start etc.
The only items you can store in them are those that are supported to be listed on the market. And to store them you still have to set a price on each item individually(listing all items for the same price again a functionality that's not present).

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Dwhym#5366 написал:

I can understand that if I "upgraded" all (except 4 because they were supposed to be unavailable for upgrade) my Premium Tabs to Merchant Tabs without fully understanding the change especially if I played PoE1 a lot I would be very disappointed to say it lightly.
I hope there is some way to appeal it and restore some of your tabs and that your example would serve as a warning to GGG that they have to improve the communication even further. But you don't have to misrepresent and deny the warnings and explanations or functionality offered by the tabs that are clearly there.

Yeah, I am pretty much unable to play PoE1 at this point.
That's what I also hope. If there was just a way to either revert the upgrade and that it results in better communication in the future.
I don't feel I misrepresented things about the warning. I still feel they are vastly missing specifics of the difference between the tabs.
I am not saying they didn't warn me, I am saying the warning was bad. In the end I fucked up, I know that and I'm not here to argue about that. But as someone working in the dev field you have to take into consideration of how people will misuse, misunderstand etc. whatever it is you're developing and in this case I think GGG did a poor job at this part of the implementation.

Good input anyway :) Cheers!

Wow I read the whole thread; wish I didn't. You're angry because of semantics. I stopped caring immediately. I bought premium tabs to trade. Now I convert them to trade faster. OMG.