Seems Act 5 will take 22h and 6 will take 44h; tedious, boring and no replay ability.

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TheModestManiac#1990 написал:

The campaign is like, the fun part. Endgame-only players should go play PoE1, since it seems like that game satisfied the game-flow you want.

I do not think you will ever get GGG to capitulate on this point since this is one of the differentiating factors of 1 and 2. They do not want 1 and 2 to be the same game and appeal to the same crowd, since they are still supporting both.

GGG is clearly designing this for the Path of Exile 1 audience as well.
Almost every single thing that was criticized by Path of Exile 1 players last league was addressed in the 0.3 update. And the endgame you're saying doesn't matter is literally, by Jonathan himself, the entire focus for the next league.

I'm sorry to say, but the game apparently will not be for you.

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Kraythax#2592 написал:

Of course we don't want it to end up being like POE1 do we ... we don't want people blowing up whole packs of baddies right ... that's why everyone is playing deadeye right ... oh .... yeah ... well I am not. I am the idiot playing blood mage bone storm because hey, build diversity is here right?

If another POE2 fan tells me about POE1 zooming and I might vomit all over them. They hate zooming so much that 80% of POE2 crowd, including probably the ones flaming me, are playing a class that can zoom.

Unless you are blowing up whole screens the campaign takes an ENORMOUS amount of time to finish and I am tired of 40 mile hikes to the boss with 15 dead ends you MUST clear or risk missing passive points. I had some stupid mob resurrect itself like 12 times in the Karui camp. That isn't a challenge its stupid and tedious.

If they added a menu button to the game for all players called "add free divine orb to inventory", which you could click as often as you like to generate unlimited divine orbs, I think nearly everyone would agree this would be bad for the game and not too fun. And yet, if the "generate divine orb" button were in the game, you could bet that nearly everyone would be hitting that button.

Now let's talk about whether everyone using a one-click screen-clear zoom build, is in fact a good metric for what is fun in a game with a competitive market.

If Deadeye came with a "50% less item rarity" modifier attached to it, pretty much no one would be playing Deadeye. But why not? Don't they want to zoom? No not really, probably. They want an edge, and to accumulate currency faster. Remove the incentive, and there's no 'fun' to take its place.

Conversely, if there were a build that you could clear an entire map with one-click, then vacuum up all the loot within 10 seconds, people would overwhelmingly be playing that build. You can ask yourself if that player representation would be an indication of how fun the game is.

No one is asking for any of those fanciful suggeestions. I am asking for it to be 10 miles hike to the boss rather than 40. But anyway I am getting nowhere with this crowd ... I doubt this game will be for me and my money. Clearly they want the diablo 4 player, not the POE player in this game ... whatever .. I wonnt level another char.

Hey GGG? How many accounts leveled more than one char?
How many abandonned the game before finishing the campaign.

How many times do you think the Diablo 4 player you are courting will play the same campaign over and over at this length?

I'd guarantee the answers are

"Few"
"Most" and
"2 or 3 MAX"

Do I think the campaign MIGHT be too long for the average player before they get to taste end game? Maybe. But tbh, the campaign is SUCH a joy to me that I don't actually mind it. I do think they need to figure out a way to make it faster for a second+ character (Besides just having twink gear I think).

It's already entirely too long and the remaining acts are just going to add to the problem.

Sure, the new act is great but that is going to feel very different after a few leagues.

Nothing huge even needs to change to fix it. All the same content can be there but the zones need to be significantly smaller with increased XP gain to make sure we end up in the same place at the end.

It's like 10% story and 90% filler.

If people want a long, narrative focused game that's fine but it isn't going to work in an ARPG that people replay for a decade.

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JODYHiGHR0LLER#6171 написал:

Nothing huge even needs to change to fix it. All the same content can be there but the zones need to be significantly smaller with increased XP gain to make sure we end up in the same place at the end.

The "end" is just playing the same game with almost the same mechanics on the same set of environments and the same bosses for most of the time. Only a fraction of the time spent in endgame is with actual new content, so why are ya'll so hell-bent on getting there faster? There isn't much that makes it different from the campaign. It makes no fucking sense!
Either you like to play PoE2 or you don't and why the fuck does it matter how large the areas are? Are you getting bored so quick that you absolutely have to have a change of scenery and mobs every 2 minutes?
Jeez...

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JODYHiGHR0LLER#6171 написал:

Sure, the new act is great but that is going to feel very different after a few leagues.

Will it? Will the hundreds upon thousands of Waystones you're so desperate to run in the endgame not also feel very different?

Like I would have so much more patience for this conversation if just one of you guys would admit what you're actually asking for - you want to farm endgame loot as soon as possible and anything that gets in your way is a frustrating obstacle.

You guys try to hide your lust for loot behind this bizarre claim that the campaign is "too long to repeat every league" but we all know that the endgame beyond the campaign is far more repetitious. You're literally running the same maps over and over and over again for weeks or months on end, so like I'm sorry but the idea that it's unacceptable for the campaign to take a couple weeks to complete just doesn't hold any water.

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Nothing huge even needs to change to fix it.

Yeah so before we discuss potential fixes you need to establish that something is broken.

I love the campaign. I love spending new passives every day. I love getting multiple build-defining upgrades every day. I love posting my lucky drops to Discord to flex on my friends. I like to challenge myself to complete the campaign without dying (which I did in 0.2).

Like, I love the endgame too don't get me wrong but I'm absolutely not in a hurry to get there and I've yet to hear an argument from any of you to tell me why I should be. It literally all seems to boil down to the fact that you just want to be farming T15s by the end of the first day of every League and anything less is unacceptable and, like, I just don't agree.

I think that's actually utterly fucking boring. Over time no matter how long the campaign gets we're still going to spend more time in the endgame so the longer we can delay arriving there the better the balance will be in my opinion.

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It's like 10% story and 90% filler.

Which makes the endgame what, dude? 0% story and 100% filler, right? Like again, what are you actually saying?

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If people want a long, narrative focused game that's fine but it isn't going to work in an ARPG that people replay for a decade.

But you want to replay the endgame. The endgame is replay just as much as the campaign is dude. You replay Waystones. You replay pinnacle bosses. It's all fucking replay.

Please just come up with an argument that makes sense.

I for one wont see endgame. Tired of this slog. And everyone here that "loves the campaign" will be tired of this slog after plaaying it 20 times. But they wont come here and admit it. They will just quietly fade awaay.

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Kraythax#2592 написал:

I for one wont see endgame. Tired of this slog. And everyone here that "loves the campaign" will be tired of this slog after plaaying it 20 times. But they wont come here and admit it. They will just quietly fade awaay.

then go. quit whining and go.

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Kraythax#2592 написал:

I for one wont see endgame. Tired of this slog. And everyone here that "loves the campaign" will be tired of this slog after plaaying it 20 times. But they wont come here and admit it. They will just quietly fade awaay.

Okay?