Detailed overview of Diablo 3 vs. Path of Exile

^ There's a lot more stuff that D3 does better than PoE.

* Smooth H&S combat, no stuttering, FPS drops, "forced atmosphere" & desync
* Progression & content gated only by difficulty, not by RNG & trade-centric design
* Customizable difficulty
* The brain gets more looting dope in D3. It's actually more fun to loot legendaries (aka 'beefed-up rares'), than is to loot the same 10 useless uniques in Poe, over and over for hundreds of hours...
* HC is real permadeath + no logout & selling your ripped gear
* did I mention enjoyable combat, with fast zone loading times & stable FPS?

otoh, D3 is overly simplified and there is where PoE wins the crown - complex character building with many, many interesting possibilities, a lot more stuff to do & peaks to climb, races, PvP, trading (for those who care about it), league resets with specific mods...

wish PoE had a difficulty slider. like game now be lvl 1 and it goes to 5 with each gradient monster life, speed and damage increase 50%. And they get sick things like penetration like Atziris double flame blast.

Im a huge fan of orginal inferno D3 with enrage, elite healing etc. Orginal MP10 was sick too until they nerfed it to the ground a week after it came out. Havnt tried T6 much because I came here and dont like SFL. I like trading and being able to min max. I also like being able to build a character in 30 minutes so long as I have the currency. Not grind for it all all over. So fuck D3.

Another thing I hate about D3 is you're slow as shit. Literally feels like half speed compared to this game. Especially since perma wrath of the berserker was deleted.

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morbo написал:

^ There's a lot more stuff that D3 does better than PoE.

* Smooth H&S combat, no stuttering, FPS drops, "forced atmosphere" & desync
* Progression & content gated only by difficulty, not by RNG & trade-centric design
* Customizable difficulty
* The brain gets more looting dope in D3. It's actually more fun to loot legendaries (aka 'beefed-up rares'), than is to loot the same 10 useless uniques in Poe, over and over for hundreds of hours...
* HC is real permadeath + no logout & selling your ripped gear
* did I mention enjoyable combat, with fast zone loading times & stable FPS?

otoh, D3 is overly simplified and there is where PoE wins the crown - complex character building with many, many interesting possibilities, a lot more stuff to do & peaks to climb, races, PvP, trading (for those who care about it), league resets with specific mods...

Let's see...the smooth combat is true. The FPS drops is false, there are optimization problems, although not at the same level than PoE (money thing, but having some much shit on screen always makes trouble).

The progression is gated by RNG, you need to find really specific items to progress beyond some point. With no trade, there are outlier of people that will not progress no matter the skill (go to their forums and see). Gated as fuck. Here you need the items, and are hard to obtain, maybe too much, but it's not just a few of them that can be used, and some builds can do everything relatively cheap.

The more looting dope is an illusion. Itemization is the classical one, just camouflaged and spoonfed (still, if you want to discuss drop rates here there is a good reason for criticism), and beyond some point the drop rates of the good stuff feel similar to PoE (hedonistic adaptation, you can't have too much of the good stuff because then it stops being good stuff). The start is really smooth, I admit it, but you can't mantain that rate forever, and at the end game it's the same but more frustrating that here.

TL;DR Other pastures are always greener.

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Mooginator написал:

Updated 2.2 version includes Combat Category, updated total weight and values, updated background images.

Thanks for posting. I think the release of Act IV will add "weight" to PoE's side of the scale, though we're really just comparing tart, green apples and oranges, here. =^[.]^=

As for now i enjoy and prefer D3 over POE for plenty of reasons.

But i am looking forward to A4 and the rest what GGG got in the pipes for their next major overhaul of POE and i hope its really good and worth playing POE again.

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NeroNoah написал:

The progression is gated by RNG, you need to find really specific items to progress beyond some point. With no trade, there are outlier of people that will not progress no matter the skill (go to their forums and see). Gated as fuck. Here you need the items, and are hard to obtain, maybe too much, but it's not just a few of them that can be used, and some builds can do everything relatively cheap.

Content gated by difficulty - which in ARPGs mostly means gear - is ok. In D3 you can always lower or raise the difficulty.

But in PoE, besides being gated by gear, is also gated by:

1.) Trading, since you will never find as many orbs as you need to roll maps
2.) Arbitrary RNG of map drops. 'My map pool got rekt, even tho I spent everything on it', is the tagline on this forum's endgame discussion since I remember.

There's stuff that is better in D3 and there's stuff that is better in PoE. In the end, for me PoE is still the better ARPG, if I had to pick one. But I still go back to D3, for a dose of ARPG hack&slash that is not interrupted by bullshit design.

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morbo написал:

Regarding those screens...

* PoE has a much better art style, than D3. Realistic, gritty, I love it.
* D3 has a severely more optimized graphics engine. Stable frame rate, smooth gameplay.

PoE looks better in theory, but when you need to set things on low, maybe even disable shadows, to have playable FPS, it looks like poo. And even then you get stuttering and frame drops in certain cases (shrines, ground effects, party play..)

This.


The truth is anyone taking POE seriously will have already shut off most of the graphical features in order to avoid desync/stuttering - this is a fact.

D3? I play it on max graphical settings. It looks so much better than POE. I don't care if you don't dig the style, on the same hand I think some of the mobs in POE look really stupid and out of place... at the end of the day though I just want good game play. I'm not like... a graphical connoisseur or anything.

If push comes to shove though and I had to sit here and nit pick the graphics? D3 wins in a landslide on so many levels.

Since you guys went there - that's just my opinion.

How come my 3 year old PC can play PoE just fine at max graphics? People need to fix their pcs instead of blaming everything on the game.

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FadeXF написал:

for me I don't understand at all why POE doesn't simply reward you a GUARANTEED same level white map on any boss kill in a map.

That would be kinda too easy, but I'd agree on 100+ quantity maps - guaranteed same or higher lvl map drop on boss kill. Reward playing difficulty. Instead PoE rewards expenditure (or tries to - sometimes you get rekt with -10 lvl map drop, no matter how many orbs you wasted on rolling). In OB it was even worse: you had to spend a ton of orbs, to roll the easiest possible mod, which was a must have for progress. -_- but nvm, that's old topic...

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Telzen написал:

How come my 3 year old PC can play PoE just fine at max graphics? People need to fix their pcs instead of blaming everything on the game.

Please stop this nonsense... I don't know what hardware you have, but maybe your graphic card is old enough not to render some of the effects in PoE.

Even with a high-end machine, mine (gtx770) starts to struggle with shadows, especially when they are 30+ mobs onscreen in full HD. I can put everything else on max, but shadow rendering anywhere beyond min is just asking for a 15-20fps slideshow when action becomes intense...

There is absolutely no denying that D3 is much better optimized than PoE, precisely because Blizzard has always been focused on making their games run nicely even on older machines (= typical of their mainstream policy to attract broader crowds).


I wish GGG would read this thread and learn a little bit from their mistakes. 99% of people here really like PoE, but the fact is that D3 was slowly polished over time (which was highly required given the piss poor initial job), when PoE has not improved that much on its major flaws (suboptimized engine, desync, and a suicidal trend of nerfing popular builds to the ground with each patch, topped with boring leveling and gearing exercises, once you've done it 20 times).

It's high time GGG renews BOTH the content AND the playstyle, and while they're at it, tackle desync and this nonsensical trading/crafting systems.

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Telzen написал:

How come my 3 year old PC can play PoE just fine at max graphics? People need to fix their pcs instead of blaming everything on the game.

I checked your profile and my point was made. I said:

"The truth is anyone taking POE seriously will have already shut off most of the graphical features in order to avoid desync/stuttering - this is a fact."

I don't believe that you really qualify for "take POE seriously" - by that I meant anyone who is playing HC, or any characters over 80 - when death = big loss of time... so fine, for you in your level range racer who isn't really taking POE seriously: fine - no doubt in my mind you likely play the game on max settings.

My statement doesn't apply to you or players like you.

I have thousands of hours played and multiple characters over 80. But I'm not masochistic enough to play HC in PoE so I guess that means I don't play seriously, yep makes sense. And would playing HC or having higher level characters suddenly make my game run worse?