Hello Friends, How About PVP?

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Derpey написал:

It's not just rude, it's the most elitist shit I've ever read.
"I'm so good, the second I enter the arena people leave, look at how good I am boys"

That's literally all I got from his little rant about how good PvP players are, with their huuuuge dick waving around infront of everybody.

I remember the tournament they made, it was a fucking disaster.
From time zones, to twinks vs. nontwinks.

The tournament on its own showed how fucking bad PvP is in its current state, and that it'll never become more than it is in PoE because of how PoE works.
IF PvP was put in a VOID LEAGUE where respecs were permanently free, including bandit rewards, and gear was available to all, maybe PvP would be good, then you could wave your dick around, but this time it'd be because you would actually outplay people with a better optimized build or just skills.

Taking a look at PvP threads, you all seem to cry about Explosive Arrow aswell, nice elitist behavior you got there big boy.

So asking for EA or any skill to be nerfed/balanced is elitist now?

why asking to nerf EA if you can compete with Mirror people?

Simply because not only EA can kill top pvpers it is also so broken in pvp that people just play EA. Top 10 ladder is about 90% EA builds. Not mirror, not legacy but EA+quill rain good old build.

Asking for nerf/balance is not to save Mirrored people but to help build diversity.


About pvp in general:

Many PVE players are entering the arena just to look or because they are curious.
Some of them come after beating for the 10 million time Uber and think since they can down a 500 000 life boss they will faceroll people in pvp.

Then they leave very grumpy they got 1 shot by people with skills that could not do good in pve.Of course after spending 200+ exalt on builds who can faceroll pve and getting 1 shot one can be grumpy.

There is for sure a problem of people in pvp with good build coming and just harassing new players. I seen that in sarn a lot, people able to one shot 10k life/es users and just killing newcomers at spawn.


I have been like those new comers.
I came fist time in sarn with my 100k cyclone facebreaker thinking I will mope the flor of all those people and then i got 2 shot.

Instead of leaving I tryed to understand why i lost and seen PVE build, even doing 1 millions dps will do sometime 0 damage vs another player.

You learn that Armor is useless, even more than in pve. In pvp ALL damages are big shots. Because of this melee (the RT+life ones) don t take armor at all and try to get life and regen instead.

PVP is very different game in poe and for sure some people get upset that their uber build can t do anything there.

There is misconception about items too. Some people new at pvp fighting me think I have mirrors and legacy because they need so long to kill me even if i afk. The truth is some skills are nerfed specialy for pvp! Tornado shot for exemple is lethal in pve but it s very very hard to make it work in pvp.

In the other way skills like traps poncture, EA, PA can dominated the field in a way even in pve you don t see (well PA is just because lot of PVE people don t have chaos res ).

There is a big problem in balance, block for exemple is even more broken in pvp than in pve. Since your skill damage is nerfed for pvp, some skills are useless vs block even with block reduction gem in 2.0 (and there is now block on jewels...Why not block reduction too?).

Cycloners using axe for exemple, even with a mirror axe will get killed by a blocker using a non legacy aegis and none legacy soultaker.

The skill tree is very unfair for many build trying to go in pvp. There is block reduction for swords but not for mace or axes, even if the new 2.0 raised the attack speed of 2h handed weapons.

Some skills like incinerate can kill a full mirrored toon just because they have 2k ES regen build.

PVP is not bad because of people mirrors and legacy it is a false idea. A 20ex build using Explosive arrow+quill rain and using shotgun trick with icewall can kill even mirrored users.


In fact I would say pvp is bad because people start to try pvp once they are in merciless but GGG decided PVP is to be played in LLD level 28. So they balanced skills for level 28 letting big problems in HLD where people try pvp for the first time.


In any cases arpg are not really pvp games and focusing on pvp would be a mistake, however it would be nice that GGG balance skills a little better for HLD because once you are level 90-100 and farmed all you had to farm I believe PVP HLD can be another way to keep those standard people playing.

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MrTremere написал:

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Rupenus написал:

When i enter to sarn arena, after 5 minutes almost everybody lefts the arena. Those who focused on pvp outplays everyone in the scene. People gets very pissed off to us, they are like... shit... my build kills lvl 81-82 maops but i got one shotted here. Fuck... poe pvp sucks. No, you just suck and have no idea about whats going on here.

Any of PvE kings, whatever gear they have, they would have completely outplayed in a 1v1 duel vs a pvp focused player. This is very assaulting to a pve focused players pride, so when they lose harshly, they abandon pvp.

I really don't like this mindset you seem to have.

For many players, PvP is just a little something more that the game can offer, and the main focus is on PvE. So they gear up for builds they find interesting for PvE without taking PvP into account.
Then you come in with your PvP-focused build, which is made to crush other players rather than monsters, and are surprised to see everyone leaving when they have no way of fighting back, because it's not fun getting mowed down without any way of resisting.
That's a common issue within competitive games : competitive players sandbagging casuals.

So a lot of players don't go to PvP, except for Leo's dailies, because they don't want to switch to PvP-focused characters, when their main focus is PvE. To tell them they suck when they simply prefer another part of the game is pretty rude.

Trust me its all about drops, if PvP had item drops, or xp gain; people would play PvP 24/7. Im exaggerating of course, but PvP offers only ego masturbation, action, excitement of competition... people are in pvp just for 2 or 3 of those.

also sorry for me beeing elitist, but i just told the things that daily happening in sarn arena or in pvp generally. I just havent refined my words and ideas to be acceptable. But its the very truth of pvp standard scene at the moment. A player comes with his Glyph Mark + Vengeance Collar + mirrored chest, acuity bla bla, he/she stands next close to a frost wall, Lightning arrow projectiles shotguns and one shots him/her. Quits Arena.

A guy comes with his block incinerate mom eb bla bla stuff which is ace in pve content. Comes to arena, gets one shotted by a mine or trap. leaves arena. typical story.

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MrTremere написал:

Trust me, unless that xp and the item drops were heavily overtuned (like with the players abusing the Cutthroat mechanics in order to level up very quickly), I still wouldn't be interested in PoE's PvP, and I am really disappointed when I feel that PvP is made mandatory (through Leo's crafting, for example).

well yea because PVP is balanced at level 28 lld and not HLD merciless so when you have to play pvp for those LEO and you go there in merciless you get 1 shot from broken skills like traps/EA + you have level 90 pve build.

It is not funny but it s because there was little effort to balance pvp HLD.
You are better off trying to do those mission in LLD instead (but i know most people find it boring to go in pvp LLD, sadly it seems to me GGG think LLD is the real PVP).

Also nothing is mandatory.

You can buy those items if you really need them without doing the LEO, like people buy their Kaom instead of trying to farm them.


Also you can put your ego aside too (if you have ego) when in sarn,If you ask nicely people to give you kills a lot of them will give you the kill for the leo. You don t need to go there and try to kill if you are not build around it.

There is good people in POE even in PVP that will give you leo mission even in merciless.

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MrTremere написал:

1) Even some of Leo's mission are stupid :
+Survive for 180 seconds in the Sarn Arena without dying. => Go to the Sarn Arena, leave your character there, and go do something else. When you come back, the mission will probably be over. You can even make it easier by not going to merciless Sarn, but to another Sarn instead.
+Kill two players in the Sarn Arena within 10 seconds. => Doing this quest will probably require that you either find some people willing to die for you, or that you use one of the massive damage builds and go grieve people.

2) If you need to kill people in Sarn, you have chances to automatically fail, because in the arena there is :
+Nobody. You can't get kills if there's nobody.
+A bunch of monstrous builds that made everyone else flee. Of course, you can't fight back against these.

3) The fact that Leo gives you access to a better scour to regret ratio makes him mandatory at least up till the moment that trade is made available. And having to rely on someone you don't know's honesty for crafting is definitely not a good thing.

4) The amount of experience Leo requires is just insane for anyone that doesn't focus on PvP. 10 000 PvP kills, with dailies being worth 40 kills, this is just ridiculous.

Those are fair points and devs could look at them for sure.





But i still think you should consider that part of people are friendly in sarn.

Of course lot of others will spawn kill you with their pvp builds like idiots too.
Just be patient when you go there if there is idiots like those you will also find good people too if you wait.

The mistake I see people do sometime:

I see level 60-80 pve build coming,they see someone afk and try to kill him (or try to kill non afk even).
Sadly AFK person is pvp expert and 1 shot them.

Easier thing for those people would be to enter and ask to get the kill instead, even asking it in whispers.

Don t be rude too and try to kill people without asking if you do the leo. It will be better experience if you go there and ask for the kill at first you enter the arena.


There is arsholes for sure. Some rude people, some teen thinking pixel pvp wins make them men.

Don t let yourself down because of them and wait a nice person will help you.



Imo pvpers are doing wrong killing new people at spawn.

It make people run and think pvp is just bad(well, more bad that it really is XD). I wish PVPEr would "educate" non pvpers instead when they enter the sarn the frist time.

SOme of them do but the others idiots are making bad experience and stopping people to try pvp.

When I am in sarn I give kills to newcomers and I would like all pvpers help the newcomers too.