Blade Fall need to be destroyed?

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Saltychipmunk написал:

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Aim_Deep написал:

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Saltychipmunk написал:

you know what is sad.... thats still half of what an average coc build should give o.o

Discharge/CoC is in the game for guys that like easy road...we have all built one...leave it.. still costs 100ex to do it right.

Only thing is it cripples casters because anything you can do self cast you can do better CoC. lulz

??????? coc costs 100 exa? some one must have been over paying

6L Volls 10-20ex depending on league
Volls Neck 18-30 ex depending on league
Good shield alone 10 ex + depending on league (seen ones for 30+ ex)
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40-60 ex just from start depending on league >_>

Not even counting rest of the equipment :S

I think bladefall sucks but theres only one reason i think that > you have to cast it over and over
This skill seems more like an aura to me that needs to get nerfed to be more inline with auras

If you didnt have to cast it every second then its probably OP since i was reading about the RF+BF build and seen BF had better damage then RF did with no nodes for BF (> all life cause RF)

Bladefall works really well with totems. I still prefer the crit-based Freezing Pulse totems, but only because it's a whole lot safer. The damage of BF is really very high. It's fun, of course, but a lot of other skills don't even remotely compare to it. I'd be more in favor of buffing those skills than of nerfing Bladefall.

If they nerf the base damage, what will realistically happen is ->

Bladefall = crit or GTFO

And because of how the armor formula works it will be a pointless change all together.

You had to be an idiot to not see how this would behave in-game with an armor formula that works the way it does.

Every point of damage past a threshold mark is an exponential increase in clearspeed/dps because of it.

Which in return translates to an increased life/mana leech rate etc.

This is basically why blade vortex is balanced as is, because it's a low point physical dps spell. It doesn't mater if you have 50 stacks of a low physical value, since it will never penetrate armor in the way bladefall does.

Hell your better of scaling non-physical damage sources with vortex because of that.

Realistically bladefall will always be "opie op" or "not worth it"/"crit or fuck off".

And if it turns into "crit of GTFO" then we basically have another one of those spells....

Peace,

-Boem-

edit :

irrelevant if monsters don't have armor.

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Boem написал:

Leave it alone and just re-introduce reflect.

Good times for all.

Peace,

-Boem-

Phys -> 100% Chaos is expensive but not impossible.

:^)

Remove spell crit (excepting ice spear)

Remove ranged Crit

Remove all non-pointy weapon crit

Cap crit out at 50%, increase crit damage potential

Give blunt weapons crushing blow

Give axes more deeps just because.

Only allow crit on attacks where you actually hit the enemy with your pointy weapon and aren't swinging around like a retard (no cleave crits, no cyclone crits)

:^^^^^^^^^^^^^)

ITT we have someone who thinks BF stands for Blade Vortex, and someone else who thinks monsters have Armour (they don't, they have % phys resist).

The thing about Bladefall is again the misleading damage tooltip and how it interacts with Conc. E. By reducing the AoE you create more overlap and not only get the benefit of more damage but also additional hits per cast. This can lead to a point that makes Bladefall incredible at destroying bigger targets much like Glacial Cascade or Tornado Shot. By using Totems you would still cover enough area.

Selfcast Bladefall is fun but it isn't that incredible, since it is a spell that does not provide any defense by itself. Physical damage gives no Stat effect so for Crit it is advised to use physical to lightning just for shock, which can enhance damage and makes cursing easy with HoT. For non-crit in terms of safety it might be outclassed by Frostspells, which likely can't compete in terms of raw damage but provide a lot of safety. Bladefall always needs other mechanics for that and it isn't exactly the best spell to use against mobile enemies so it clearly has some downsides. However using totems and just staying back makes it a rather nice option.

I also don't think the damage is that high maybe it has to be attuned slightly but there are propably other ways to tune it in comparison to other spells that are better than just nerfing it.

And yeah armor doesn't exist for enemies, it was a high demand since armor would kinda counter the high AS meta we always have and make slower weapons and not using multistrike better but than again with Armored and E-charges it could easily create totally immune enemies unless you are able to deal a certain amount of physical damage per hit, which would render skills like Blade Vortex or Barrage entirely pointless.

Don't know why Hatred wouldn't be enough for crit. I mean, the design of the game at this point is basically "physical crit = freeze."

Also, there's a lot of middle ground between "enemies can get physical immune with Armour and Endurance Charges," and "enemies have no Armour." You're making a false dichotomy.