Pohx: POE is now like D3, leveling is too easy, map system the same, most uniques sucks....

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Isdp написал:

Whiteknights don't understand what 'POE is now like D3' means it seems.
Guess that's why they're whiteknights to begin with.

Belittling those who disagree with you by classifying them as "whiteknights". Gee, how typical, tired, and unimaginative that statement is. Try again.

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mrjoey523 написал:

Basically what i'm trying to say is, PoE is by no means 'too easy'. Once you hit around level 90, you literally have to start playing smarter, or you simply wont be able to progress. There are so many different factors and depth to the endgame and PoE, that this game will NEVER be 'too easy'. The Dev's here (whom I honestly have to say are probably the best Dev's of any game i've ever played!) know what they are doing, and I know they have big things in store for us in the future.

QFT. And this is why I stopped with my main character in standard right at level 90. The risk vs reward skyrockets, and players really need to invest more in optimizing their gear and build. Most well known builds get you to 90 just fine, but after that it takes a lot of patience and cautious gameplay to level further. Even then, when the pack mods align to create the "perfect storm", when you let your attention slip just a bit as you got comfortable with the grind, and you get nearly one-shotted, you quickly regain that sense of mortality for your character again.

PoE is and will always be one of the most challenging and difficult ARPGs when you go past the regular end-game point. Until then, sure, it can be easy with the right build and good planning.

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cipher_nemo написал:

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Isdp написал:

Whiteknights don't understand what 'POE is now like D3' means it seems.
Guess that's why they're whiteknights to begin with.

Belittling those who disagree with you by classifying them as "whiteknights". Gee, how typical, tired, and unimaginative that statement is. Try again.

( Dude you picked the wrong guy to argue with. Just sayin' )

Disagree ?
Who disagrees with me ?
Whiteknights ? Haha.


Most people is the thread fail to understand that Poe is now like D3 isnt about comparing them but about the fact that, in BOTH game, POWER CREEP is what matters and is (power creep) what's making the game less appealing over time.

Ergo the statement that poe is indeed like D3 nowadays.
It took that direction a long time ago and now it's reaching the final stage.

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Isdp написал:

( Dude you picked the wrong guy to argue with. Just sayin' )

Disagree ?
Who disagrees with me ?
Whiteknights ? Haha.

Not arguing: pointing out your utter lack of respect for others and attacking them instead of arguing the points. When you devolve into that, you're lost any arguments you had.

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Isdp написал:

Most people is the thread fail to understand that Poe is now like D3 isnt about comparing them but about the fact that, in BOTH game, POWER CREEP is what matters and is (power creep) what's making the game less appealing over time.

Opinion, not fact. Sorry. There's not "fail to understand" when it's not based on fact.

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Isdp написал:

It took that direction a long time ago and now it's reaching the final stage.

"Final stage"? Again, opinion only. You can argue all you like about it, but it's still just an opinion. Discuss opinions, and only argue facts, please, otherwise you've already lost the argument before it even started.

If you want to discuss how you think PoE is becoming D3, then let's take into account all of the huge, striking differences between the two games. Merely mentioning power creep is not only a misnomer, it's also just one small fraction of the overall comparisons you could possible ever make.

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Perq написал:

Gotta admit I it is good giggle to see people lose their shit over Essence league, where it is obvious it is gonna be Talisman 2.0 level of useless. Lol.

Yeah, I got excited over Atlas, and excited to see a three month league, but not excited to see it be just crafting. Not playing on doing that league, will just enjoy the atlas instead.

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cipher_nemo написал:

Opinion, not fact. Sorry. There's not "fail to understand" when it's not based on fact.

Only thing worth quoting really.

Facts ?
Didn't you get the memo about every single asc class being OP as fuck ?
Didn't you saw that the meta forced by GGG down our throats is all about stacking MORE AND MORE AND MORE multipliers ?

How is that for facts about power creeping ?

Or do I misunderstand the english word "facts" ?

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Isdp написал:

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cipher_nemo написал:

Opinion, not fact. Sorry. There's not "fail to understand" when it's not based on fact.

Only thing worth quoting really.

Facts ?
Didn't you get the memo about every single asc class being OP as fuck ?
Didn't you saw that the meta forced by GGG down our throats is all about stacking MORE AND MORE AND MORE multipliers ?

How is that for facts about power creeping ?

Or do I misunderstand the english word "facts" ?

I think the thing you're misunderstanding is English grammar, not the definition of the word fact.

You said "Most people is the thread fail to understand that Poe is now like D3 isnt about comparing them but about the fact that, in BOTH game, POWER CREEP is what matters and is (power creep) what's making the game less appealing over time."

In English, the distributive property is used for these types of statements. You claimed, using standard rules of English grammar, that both of the following are facts:
a) power creep exists
b) power creep makes the game less appealing

(b) is objectively an opinion, not a fact. "What is appealing" can literally only ever be an opinion. So cipher discredits you based on that. Which makes sense, because he's right. But if you retract that and instead only say that it's a fact that power creep exists, then I'll agree with you.

However, I continue to disagree that it's making the game less interesting. I love expansions focusing on endgame content. If the power creep comes paired with challenges that are qualitatively different from what we've gotten before [note 1], then I'm quite happy to use my new powers to smash my new enemies. That's what Diablo 2's expansion did, after all--the level cap didn't increase, but many new things were introduced that made both leveling easier and gave a higher power cap (you know that runes didn't even exist before that, right?). In return, we got baal and eventually uber tristram. It was great! Even 13 years later, many people were saying they'd rather get a second expansion to diablo 2 than, you know, the pile of shit that was diablo 3 [note 2].

What you have to remember is that Path of Exile expansions are actual expansions [note 3]. They're supposed to introduce later content that you need stronger items than ever before to tackle.

If uber atziri was introduced with the same power cap on players as existed back during open beta, then literally only players on havoc's level would've ever killed her. And that's not fun to most people.



[1] New bosses, rather than diablo 3's gimmick where every patch they just increase the max stats of the existing bosses... along with drop rates on literally everything. Do you realize that the top-tier unique drop rate actually *decreased* in 2.3? It was overcorrected back in 2.2, which was more powercreep than they wanted, so they unbuffed it. In 2.3 it literally became harder to get top-tier uniques, and in return we got to fight uber izaro for a couple extra ascendancy points

[2] Though by now people have realized that blizzard north is never coming back, so they either live with their pile of shit or they come play PoE instead

[3] Even though you don't have to pay for them and they don't all contain new acts, you should think of literally every expansion the same way you thought of D2:LoD. The people who thought LoD was unwanted power creep compared to the original D2 were a tiiiiiiiny minority.

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HikaruYami написал:

I think the thing you're misunderstanding is English grammar, not the definition of the word fact.

You said "Most people is the thread fail to understand that Poe is now like D3 isnt about comparing them but about the fact that, in BOTH game, POWER CREEP is what matters and is (power creep) what's making the game less appealing over time."

In English, the distributive property is used for these types of statements. You claimed, using standard rules of English grammar, that both of the following are facts:
a) power creep exists
b) power creep makes the game less appealing

(b) is objectively an opinion, not a fact. "What is appealing" can literally only ever be an opinion. So cipher discredits you based on that. Which makes sense, because he's right. But if you retract that and instead only say that it's a fact that power creep exists, then I'll agree with you.

Thank you. Exactly.

And yes, I'd agree that "power creep" exists, as it does in many, many ARPGs. But to what effect that has and whether or not that makes it more or less like D3 and whether that makes PoE less enjoyable, that's of course debatable.

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for some reason my full reply was cutoff, damn formatting. lets retype this

Could it maybe, JUST MAYBE, be because you are posting replies with 10 paragraphs in them? You don't need to breakdown every sentence by someone that responds to the comment [Removed by Support], if you don't like the game in its current state, gtfo please ITS REALLY THAT SIMPLE. THANKS! :) :)

I read through this entire thread... all 16 pages.

All I have to say is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0bsK1cMpJ8&index=12&list=PL3kmT1mmaRnFSYHFO4GXBnk_SMxqnDzsI


It is easy to make fun of Krip, and while he is more salty, and not a streamer I like to watch anymore, this was a time when I enjoyed watching him, and his videos.
The first 2 minutes are the relevant ones.

This is how a PROFESSIONAL streamer needs to handle the situation that Pohx is experiencing.
But instead he chooses to just complain about the game, and formulate opinions that seem to be from an 'entitled' standpoint.

I am not interested in having any kind of discussion with the people who are arguing back and forth on this thread.

I just thought that this video would shed some light on an alternative way that all of these situations that have been discussed in this thread can be handled.

TL:DR/DW Handle your addictions in a responsible way. Don't hold expectations as a standard, and move on if things aren't working out for you.