VP was never the problem
" I play like its hc on serious characters, I dont want to die even once if it can be helped. Its not wasted efficiency, it just looks like the sort of builds people on hc play rather than the dps dizzy builds most high end players on sc play. Im gonna play melee with 7k life and a starkonjas, Im not gonna play with 5k life and an abyssus, I dont care what that does to my dps when Ive already got twice as much damage as I need to zoom through maps. I dont want to reach lvl100, I think my passion for the game would take a dip. Ill end up with 30 lvl99 builds and Ill be playing a 31st at lvl94 rather than push any of them the final distance. Im not playing to finish, Im playing to play. If I wanted a lvl100 build I could have vaal sparked my way there in a week or 2 ages ago, you think I dont have the time or the currency? lvl100 stopped meaning anything ages ago. I dont chainrace strands, I pick up rares and have a full atlas, I go hunting for the last 15 mobs, Im in no hurry to be done with the game. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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" Sorry for not taking your word for it, but getting like 567 total resists (465 if you don't overcap) without resists from body and helmet doesn't sound cheap to me at all. Mirrored dagger doesn't sound cheap or even obtainable in a temp league as well. And all this doesn't sound viable anywhere outside standard. And it doesn't sound like it can compete with non-attack/non-selfcast builds that easily outmatch you in survivability while also being bisco-viable. What you're saying here only proves that VP was a necessary evil. |
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" So, what you're saying: The evasion side of the tree have the same accessibility to defensive options as the left side of the tree - if/when VP is nerfed - and moved? Lightning Coil and Kintsugi are both options, I agree, but to design a defense around certain uniques to be "viable", is bad design. And a Kaoms limits you to 2H/Bow. I don't care if it's POSSIBLE to do a hard-rolled guardian map as an evasion character. I care about balance between the available defenses. My point: BECAUSE the fact that you DO NOT have access to certain defenses om the right side of the tree, removing VP WITHOUT adjust ANYTHING else is a dick move. Regeneration nodes, EC, Physical Mitigation, crit reduction and so on. You call evasion "shit" even WITH un-nerfed VP in the area, and you STILL think removing it without any adjustments is a good idea. But hey, if you think the right side of the tree without VP is as "defensively viable" as the left for melee characters, you're allowed. I strongly disagree. Sometimes, just sometimes, you should really consider adapting to the world, instead of demanding that the world adapts to you. Последняя редакция: Phrazz#3529. Время: 19 нояб. 2017 г., 07:40:54
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" No one asked you to. Still your damage is pathetic for using a mirror weapon and trying to teach people without mirror items how to play. I feel like every time we compare opinions you have white trash mobs in mind while i think of damage mods guardians - usually the content hc players do not like to tackle. " No definately you have enough time for this game - more than i do. Wasnt the point also i dont get why oyu think the game would end with lvl 100? I guess different players, different goals. If my goal was to stomp cheap trash mobs in maps id be done since 3 and a half years with the game. And as you can see lv 100 also didnt stop me from playing. Последняя редакция: zzang#1847. Время: 19 нояб. 2017 г., 07:51:36
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Sansa please I beg you, I loved Vaal Pact ever since I was a boy!
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" my friend pam was excited about the darkpact build she was playing so I gave it a go because I figured something about it will be nerfed into dust come 3.1 and I wanted to see what it was like before "they killed it" to have a frame of reference when I eventually try it out later. 10 day event that I only had 3 days to play, why not give it a go. Im not against vp, I dont like using it with life builds and I think its obviously become too dominant in the meta so I agree with it being nerfed. My experience on that berserker has done nothing to change my opinion that I dont like using it Ill say that much. I cant play a proper melee build with a couple of chaos hence I play ranged? Cant make a build that farms t2 maps without investing serious currency? Where are you making these things up from? What on earth are you talking about? I enjoy spectral throw and I figured if im gonna sit here for a month playing the same build I want to play something I enjoy that I havent played in a while. Is this where its at now? After changing your point over and over and reframing the argument to something different in an endless attempt to 'win' something against someone whos just trying to have a serious and honest conversation about the game youve now got to the point where youre just making up random nonsense thats not even remotely based in anything you can even pretend to properly credit? lol m8. How does it feel inside your head right now? Do you actually buy into your own madness? I dont come to these forums to have a slagging match, I come to have serious conversations about the game, sry that your ego prevents you from engaging in them but were done here. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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" I told you its a time waste like snorkles builds are a waste. Like some hc players he doesnt tackle endgame content just the trash mobs in "red maps". Snorkle argued that ES is fine before the big nerf hammer came. Reason to justify it was that life could handle the content too, logic - not. You are speaking to a slimy forum politician its really not worth the time. |
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VP needed a nerf. You guys want the game to get past 1 shots for difficulty, then the things that make 1 shots be the only answer need nerfed. VP has been a problem for awhile. And no, its not Berserker needing a nerf. Have you played a non-VP zerker build? Its actually quite shit without VP to abuse its leech passive. I like to go against the grain usually, so Legacy League I made one. I had to eventually respec to VP cause he was just a worse Slayer.
I honestly think VP needed a nerf before ES, since it stacked onto ES's huge hp pools was one of the issues with ES to begin with. If you dont die to 1 shots in this game, you just don't die with most of the meta builds. The root of this problem has been instant leech for a long time now. But I guess better late than never. You guys will live. Its not the first time something has been nerfed(and needed it), and it won't be the last. The ebb and flow of strength is what keeps games fresh. Just a whole lot of Sky is Falling going on right now. |
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" You play VP = you're an hypocrite You don't play VP = you don't know what you're talking about So convenient. Please continue! |
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" Well the only things Ive spent passives on with that char is life, acrobatics and damage, so to get more damage the only thing I can drop passively is life, the only gear I can switch to is abyssus, a legacy crit multi mirrored amulet or mirrored dps rings. So the damage is what it is in order to have 7k life, not use an abyssus and not spend another 800 exalts on jewelery. Im not trying to teach them how to play at all, Im having a conversation with them about the game and if they say something is X and I know thats not actually true then I disagree. Im not coming in intending to teach anyone anything, Im not bragging about anything, Im discussing the game without letting my ego get in the way. I dont post builds to brag, people say Z is impossible, I know its not and say so, they say show me so I do. If someone can teach me something Id be very open to it, Id be happy, because my intentions when coming into these threads are for honest sharing of knowledge. re: lvl100, its just how I am. I dont think Id ever play a lvl100 char again, I want to keep playing them, I want to remake them with every change, I like playing 20+ builds at once and seeing how they all work at all points in the meta shift. If I hit 96 on a build I push it aside and pick one 2 or 3 levels lower to hit 96 with and so on. I like an over view of the game from experience, I like seeing how different things compare and cope. My favourite books are the dune and culture series, I havent finished the last book of either, it gives me a reason to go back and read them again, theres still something new for me at the end. Ive read both series multiple times. " Im saying I think the right side has superior defensive options to the left side, not the same. chris or qarl, forget which, was asked about evasion being shit once, in particular physical vulnerability. They said that it does what it is supposed to do and it is expected that evasion characters find another way to deal with physical damage. Armour is shit against burst and elemental attacks which evasion is great against. I think the potential is there to have a number of aspects to your defense and hence no 1 thing is intended to be a magic cure all for defensive challenges the game poses. I think its expected that you mix and match, and that you have vulnerabilities regardless of the combo. I think the right side can replicate the strengths the left side has easier than the left side can replicate those of the right. This is what Im basing the opinion that the right is superior on. Ive been unable to make strict left side builds as tanky as the right side builds, to get a marauder etc to match or beat the right I have to build him across from left to right and be a hybrid of armour and evasion, and its far more draining on resources, the dps cant keep up. Id be happy to look at examples of strong left side melee builds people think can outlast the right tho, if it looks like something Ive not played Ill try it out. This is just my experience so far, everything Ive played tells me the right side has been superior for years now. I love all you people on the forums, we can disagree but still be friends and respect each other :)
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