VP was never the problem

You still can. But you can't facetank beam :)

all these right vs left things- are we talking poe or politics? haha

the removal of insta-leech from VP will help identify some big problems and fix them too.
VP may not have been the initial problem, but it definitely is a problem because it skews the game for all future content and balance.
i'll be so glad when they finally take instaleech out of the equation so we can all step a couple notches down and basically just calm the game out.

The game is going to be a shit show now unless they seriously rebalance boss & monster damage.

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Sa_Re написал:

I learned from this thread that without VP you can't delete shaper anymore with a budget build. Sounds good to me.

first of all

VP doesnt affect your damage, shaper has no mechanics that are unavoidable, if you dodge the beam you can still delete him.

also GC miner can already shit on shaper with like 20 chaos invested

Remember when "ES was never the problem,it was VP" threads?

Now read this thread title again,slowly.

That's why GGG or any other game designer should be careful which "majority" to listen to.

You people should focus on monster damage balance now. It was the only reason VP was used,and it should be either tuned now,or made in a way where it promotes skill rather than "which aoutoattack will oneshot me next".

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CaptainWARLORD написал:

I honestly don't even care. Pretty much every build of mine is now dead.

CWC Tank = DEAD

Wild Strike Raider = DEAD

Molten Strike Boss Killer = DEAD

Scourge Flurry Scion = DEAD

Kitava's Frostbolt Assassin = DEAD

And the list goes on. I won't be pigeonholed into Summoner or Slayer. Fuck this.

I said it before and I keep my word. This is where I stop all support and playing.

Have fun playing logout mini-games sprinkled with one-shots on top.

holy hell mate you paid 9000 bucks and this is where it ends for you?

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xMustard написал:

all these right vs left things- are we talking poe or politics? haha

the removal of insta-leech from VP will help identify some big problems and fix them too.
VP may not have been the initial problem, but it definitely is a problem because it skews the game for all future content and balance.
i'll be so glad when they finally take instaleech out of the equation so we can all step a couple notches down and basically just calm the game out.

Nah Vp is the main problem. people have been using it as a crutch to avoid investing in less powerful defensive mechanics for years.

reflect has options for dealing with it. you only encounter it on trash mobs and one specific boss.

trash mobs have almost no hp .. doing less damage is actually a valid answer against them. plus the myriad of ascendancy , pantheon, passive tree and item options.

taking many rapid hits is what things like dodge , block , armor and evasion were built for .

and while those dont block large one offs. large one offs are technically the kinds of attacks you are supposed to actively evade with smart character positioning.


If a player had a build where it was only viable due to the absurdly economical defensive mechanic that is vp... that player didn't really have a legit build. they built their foundation on ground that everyone knew was shaky, and i emphasize this ... no one is surprised that vp got changed. complaining about its passing is like being shocked and outraged that double dipping got removed it just comes off as silly.

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Keynomaru2 написал:

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CaptainWARLORD написал:

I honestly don't even care. Pretty much every build of mine is now dead.

CWC Tank = DEAD

Wild Strike Raider = DEAD

Molten Strike Boss Killer = DEAD

Scourge Flurry Scion = DEAD

Kitava's Frostbolt Assassin = DEAD

And the list goes on. I won't be pigeonholed into Summoner or Slayer. Fuck this.

I said it before and I keep my word. This is where I stop all support and playing.

Have fun playing logout mini-games sprinkled with one-shots on top.

holy hell mate you paid 9000 bucks and this is where it ends for you?

if one makes only builds that abuse broken or hilariously over-tuned mechanics .. one ends up with no builds when said mechanics are fixed or tuned. at least half of those builds fall into one of those camps

To the poster above me:

Can we sticky your post please? It's fantastic. I'm not kidding.

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CaptainWARLORD написал:

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Keynomaru2 написал:

holy hell mate you paid 9000 bucks and this is where it ends for you?

Yes and no. They didn't remove VP but they changed it. Aside from the fact that most of my fun builds are dead now unless I invest a ton of currency (which wasn't the point of budget builds), GGG has shown me once again that they just don't fulfill my desires to the slightest.

We get increased pack size. Then they announce new active skills where 3 out of 4 are again on-kill based. If that doesn't correlate in some way, then I don't know what does.

No new Unarmed skills for ages.
No proper melee vs ranged balance.
More throw-away minions. Like we needed more braindead bullet sponges.
And so on and so forth.

I highly doubt anything in the upcoming patch notes will change my mind. If monster damage isn't severely reduced with 3.1, then I don't see any point why I should even care in the slightest.

Every creative way to break the game gets gutted, which is one of the most fun parts for me. I grind my ass off and for what? So I can feel like shit after the next patch?

Nah, man. I've had it. Enough is enough.

E: And I love Summoner. So, I will be playing Grim Dawn instead after buying the new expansion. Minions there at least have a purpose.

Completely agree. Character building is the best thing in the game and they rape it every single patch.

Every creative way to break the game... and you wonder why this change came through.

Be glad it took this long, imo. Quit if you like, but I think you'll be back on 3.1 launch day regardless. We'll see.