Season One, Race Event 21: One Week Party

Chris, i hate to say it, but when almost every comment contains negative feedback, when bronze-silver-gold-diamond supporters express their disappointment, when the number of participants is dwindling in each race, it might be a good idea to rethink something.

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Darkee написал:

What is with all the complaining about rewards? Rewards aren't the only reason you race, you get to play in a completely new league, there is nothing there. A fresh economy and fresh characters. Get to try new builds and level a character that you were planning but didn't want to level because it's boring 1 shotting everything because you're rich in permanent leagues. And if you are good enough you get to win prizes too? Sign me up. If you don't like it then just don't sign up... a weird concept right?

If the rewards were not so difficult for a player like myself to attain, someone with limited playtime, I would agree with you.

But the way races are structured now, I really need to maximize my time spent vs. reward points. Where as I'm really forced to not miss the 1 and 2 hour events because they give me the best bang for my buck.

I understand what you are saying, but if I'm not racing for the prizes, then what am I racing for?

Some people, including myself just like to race. Getting ANY reward for it is a bonus, at least that's how it works in my mind and in the real world. Yeh, most of the posts here are complaining that the rewards for racing don't meet some preset currency value that they can obtain playing in the permanent league or what they were used to in closed beta but so what. It's not like olympic athletes get a special bonus for winning events, or clearing milestones. There's an overwhelming amount of "me" and child like behavior demonstrated about what people feel they deserve to be compensated in order to "spend" their time competing.

Grow up kids. You don't compete for prizes, you compete to get better and for the love of the sport. Everyone is so entitled these days. -=(

Impossible to get top 20 because i am not unemployed, and all the other rewards suck. Please consider changing it or adding level rewards.

The two points is still an incentive for players who fancy they might make the top 500. I'd count myself as a contender for that tier and be happy to race a character for that.

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p0t написал:

Some people, including myself just like to race. Getting ANY reward for it is a bonus, at least that's how it works in my mind and in the real world. Yeh, most of the posts here are complaining that the rewards for racing don't meet some preset currency value that they can obtain playing in the permanent league or what they were used to in closed beta but so what. It's not like olympic athletes get a special bonus for winning events, or clearing milestones. There's an overwhelming amount of "me" and child like behavior demonstrated about what people feel they deserve to be compensated in order to "spend" their time competing.

Grow up kids. You don't compete for prizes, you compete to get better and for the love of the sport. Everyone is so entitled these days. -=(

They've set a precedent with the other races. This race is much longer, and yields much less for somebody who can't compete with the top.

I, like you, race for the challenge and the enjoyment. This does not mean that I can't have constructive criticism on how something is set up, especially when there is already something to compare it to. Regardless of if improved, I will enter this race because I want to play a new character, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't be better.

On the point of olympic athletes, a lot of countries award a monetary prize to their top competitors for each olympic event. But that's neither here nor there.

Your last line may apply to some, but it is a generalized and childish reply to real feedback.

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quasicat написал:

Your last line may apply to some, but it is a generalized and childish reply to real feedback.

Real feedback as in the race is too long and the prizes unfair? Id argue that complaining that a reward for a competition doesn't scale as well as other competition is being beyond childish and into infantile.

But I've already seen some players go on "strike" for the races, lol guys. People think they're in the NBA and not playing a F2P hardcore game.

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p0t написал:

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quasicat написал:

Your last line may apply to some, but it is a generalized and childish reply to real feedback.

Real feedback as in the race is too long and the prizes unfair? Id argue that complaining that a reward for a competition doesn't scale as well as other competition is being beyond childish and into infantile.

But I've already seen some players go on "strike" for the races, lol guys. People think they're in the NBA and not playing a F2P hardcore game.

How is it beyond childish and infantile to provide the feedback that: In a one hour race, all you have to do is spend 30 minutes to hit level 11 and you would get as many reward points as you would placing #200-500 in a one week long race--obviously resulting in much more time spent? Thinking that this could be improved upon does not at all mean that the only reason one is doing a race is for the rewards.

You don't have to see it from that perspective, but your perspective isn't the only valid and grown-up one. If somebody wants both competition and prizes and only have time for some races, they would do better in choosing the one hour races. The criticism is that the rewards haven't been scaled according to the precedent that has been set.

I'm thinking you just want to complain at people complaining.

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p0t написал:

It's not like olympic athletes get a special bonus for winning events, or clearing milestones. (

That is exactly how it works, they get paid by their country and their sponsors for winning the Medals or doing well (new records).
And once you won a Medal, you not even win more in "normal" events, you even get paid for just showing up basicly.
(this is for the more popular sports of course, not some extreme niche thing if you want to use that as an argument)
And nobody here actually acted entitled, there were just again, like before, many reasonable voices, asking why the changes had to be made for the worse and stating that the lack of incentive, will probably have them put little effort into the whole thing or not compete at all.

So you would race anyway, fine why do you care then, when a lot of people will not and say so in order for the devs to clearly understand why the numbers of participents are low and will get much lower even imo.



The potential was there, to gain even more momentum for the game with the races, making them one new exciting entry in the ever growing e-sport sector.

How it is setup now, it will just fail hard, since how the events work here, it is basicly a list of numbers in the end which determine how people measure their e-penis and nobody will care if someone won or bought their demi god, just due to the sheer number of races in just the 1st season alone.

And the overall best will always just be called the ones, that put the most time into it, if the argument is true or not doesn't matter, that is how it will play.
Once the novelty wears off, nobody but No Lifers and maybe some Streamers will really be into racing for much longer i am pretty sure.
It is not a direct competition, where people of all level can compete against equally matched opponents and experience Victory at times according to their personal skill level.

It is just way to niche in an already niche environment to work long term.

And i think people are rightfully frustrated, when a system they really liked gets changed and very weak arguments are put up for the change.
It is frustration maybe and some comments might have been to harsh, but overall it means people actually still care, as long as they voice their opinion, in the very civil manner i have seen it here so far, there is still hope.
Once nobody even comments on lack of incentive, it is usually already to late and getting those that will leave back into the game might be harder, than having them join in the first place.

Imagine a marathon were 1000 runners are about to race. 100 of them get together and approach the people sponsoring the race and one guy says " Hey it's not fair, the same guys always win. All they do is train and have the best teams." Then another guy says "I have a job, and a life I can't even compete in the full race. This isn't fair because I competed in a shorter race, please change the race to be fair to all." Then a few people say "Other races were shorter with better prizes why should I even race, please change your race to be as equally profitable to all people, no matter how much time they have to invest."

I don't enter javelin toss competitions because its not in my range of things I can accomplish in my life, with the time and skills I have. I don't try to change the javelin toss competitions rules to accommodate my life, that's silly.


In response to above, I care because when a game developer starts catering to the demands of the "fair" and "easy for all" soap boxers the game quality suffers. If you need rewards for playing a game(or competing), then you're doing it wrong.