Well done GGG the economy will heal if this goes on forever

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Just because I have the OPTION, doesnt mean I will use it. Yes, I have LE ond other game to play - if I will want to play some ARPG. DOesnt mean Im "busy playing it". THere are other genres of games, ARPGs are not only games that exist.

It's not an opinion.
It's not up for debate.
It's quite literally science.

There is no argument to be had here. Don't waste your breath arguing with someone on the internet that refuses to acknowledge even the most basic premises.

It's quite simple.

The graph we see every league (https://poedb.tw/us/League#ConcurrentPlayers) from PoeDB has two data points.

TWO.
1+1 = 2.

Time on the X axis.
Concurrent Players on the Y axis.

It quite literally is ingrained in every image.

With me so far? Perfect! We can agree on basic math and we can read English.

The data is gathered this way: "The player base statistically is around 60/40 steam vs client. We know this from the announcements GGG makes about peak player concurrency. Concurrent Player source: Steamdb" (https://steamdb.info/app/238960/charts/). Said by the owner? / author? of the website in question.

NOWHERE IN THE SITE it says they did a survey.

A survey is the only tool that can give you the answer of: "WHY DID YOU STOP PLAYING THIS LEAGUE". Why? Because there are almost infinite possibilities on WHY a user stopped playing and it cannot be grouped on "league = bad".

The assumption that a "player leaves the league because the league is bad" is incomplete at best. We already agreed you had no issues with English or Math (and basic logic). Therefore, I must conclude there is a cognitive issue or malice in continuing to pursue this "argument".

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Educate yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_perception
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_graphics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_chart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_hypothesis_test
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_interval#Statistical_hypothesis_testing

Your ridiculous insistence that we need data on a single specific thing in order to draw any conclusion whatsoever means you should be directing people to How to Lie with Statistics instead because that's what you're doing.

If you ever bothered to read what other people have written instead of constantly reproducing the same screed over and over you would have realized that it has been repeatedly pointed out that player retention has been strongly correlated with how much the community has enjoyed previous leagues. Therefore based on that correlation it would not be inaccurate to presume that player retention this league correlates well with how much people enjoyed it.

From that information the conclusion can be drawn that 3.24 and Necropolis are like 3.19 and Kalandra, regardless of the actual quality of the league the vast pile of loot and QoL nerfs overshadows it and makes people not want to play.

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I don't endorse everything he says obviously. But there's a certain irony to posting 10x a day on something you don't like and don't play, saying you are busy playing LE and whatnot

It's equally ironic that die-hard fans spend more time posting about the game than actually playing it.

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BlackMarshes212 написал:

The assumption that a "player leaves the league because the league is bad" is incomplete at best.

Not really. GGG themselves measure league success by looking at player retention. Essentially, you're just urging everyone to disregard evidence simply because it doesn't meet certain criteria, which is ridiculous.

Just gonna throw this out there:

no matter what the reason, no matter what the outside influence, no matter what the social influence, no matter what: retention determines the "success" of a league.

It can be the absolute BEST thing GGG has ever created. But if the players are gone doing other things....its a failure.

We don't NEED to question the reasons, we need only look directly at the numbers (assuming we TRUST the source of those numbers).

We can, in hindsight, say "oh well maybe that league was less popular because xyz".....but that doesn't really matter at all. The only thing that matters is retention.


GGG ain't gonna care about whether a mechanic was "good" or "bad", they are ONLY going to care about "How many players continued to play after week1 / week2 /week 4/ blah blah", because that almost directly translates to "how much money did we make?"

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ArtCrusade написал:

I don't endorse everything he says obviously. But there's a certain irony to posting 10x a day on something you don't like and don't play, saying you are busy playing LE and whatnot

It's equally ironic that die-hard fans spend more time posting about the game than actually playing it.

You can't be talking about me. Responding to you takes like 1 minutes while I am about to finish my 2nd level 100 in SSFHC lmao, the cope

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ArtCrusade написал:

I don't endorse everything he says obviously. But there's a certain irony to posting 10x a day on something you don't like and don't play, saying you are busy playing LE and whatnot

It's equally ironic that die-hard fans spend more time posting about the game than actually playing it.

You can't be talking about me. Responding to you takes like 1 minutes while I am about to finish my 2nd level 100 in SSFHC lmao, the cope

I was just gonna say the same thing lol....I have made thousands of posts on the forum, but I also have 15000 hours in the game. They are an incomparable difference in time commitment lol.

Welps, guess its time for me to move to other thread since moderators really like to remove my posts in here. (or edit parts of it which is just funny, because such thing would not be considered "antagonistic towards person" even in kindergarden)

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ArtCrusade написал:

You can't be talking about me. Responding to you takes like 1 minutes while I am about to finish my 2nd level 100 in SSFHC lmao, the cope

Nope, just saying it's a stupid argument that goes both ways, and again I could say pretty much the exact same thing back.

Responding to you takes like 1 minutes while I am about to finish my 2nd level 100 in Last Epoch, the cope

See, it's pointless

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ArtCrusade написал:

You can't be talking about me. Responding to you takes like 1 minutes while I am about to finish my 2nd level 100 in SSFHC lmao, the cope

Nope, just saying it's a stupid argument that goes both ways, and again I could say pretty much the exact same thing back.

Responding to you takes like 1 minutes while I am about to finish my 2nd level 100 in Last Epoch, the cope

See, it's pointless

Except there is a WORLD of difference posting 1000x on a forum of a game you LIKE, and posting 1000x on a forum of a game you DON'T. And especially posting about things you have never and likely will never even do.

It does NOT go both ways.