Map Mods: Stasis / Hemomancy need to be removed

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ScrotieMcB написал:

My standard for "is a map mod too discriminatory against a build?" is: does the map allow a build to enter the map and possibly go through it very, very carefully, or does it just instantly kill the player despite taking reasonable precautions, with no way to mitigate it?

Great point and I would expand it to condemn map mods that violate the integrity of a character's build. Curses and other debilitating afflictions are legitimate challenges, but imposing Blood Magic on you is an act of sabotage. This mod does nothing but make the map unplayable for any build that doesn't already use BM.

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They are pretty similar, they require you to have gear and talents set up a specific way to be effective, and that setup tends to preclude an efficient use of the other keystone.

Hemomancy is the only mode that just ruins builds = CI builds.
Everything else can play it, but at the cost of auras or a big chunk of their life more-or-less.

CI and BM are two keystone that having strictly nothing to do with eachother.
Now what do you call a "CI map mode" ??? you talking about stasis ? How is that related to CI ?
It isn't.
It has nothing to do with CI, and it has nothing to do with BM either.
swap a gem to use leech or use potions, and there you go, you can run it.

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RogueMage написал:

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ScrotieMcB написал:

My standard for "is a map mod too discriminatory against a build?" is: does the map allow a build to enter the map and possibly go through it very, very carefully, or does it just instantly kill the player despite taking reasonable precautions, with no way to mitigate it?

Great point and I would expand it to condemn map mods that violate the integrity of a character's build. Curses and other debilitating afflictions are legitimate challenges, but imposing Blood Magic on you is an act of sabotage. This mod does nothing but make the map unplayable for any build that doesn't already use BM.

I disagree with that last point, it only really makes it unplayable for CI builds; anything life-based can handle a BM map (just consider it a "no Aura" affix). Nevertheless, that's enough to disqualify BM as a map mod.

Make it taking ES instead of life for CI builds with a 200% cost ( or 200%extra cost ), and there it would be playable by everyone.

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Fruz написал:

Make it taking ES instead of life for CI builds with a 200% cost ( or 200%extra cost ), and there it would be playable by everyone.

Or just cut to the chase and change the mod to "Player skills reserve Life instead of Mana." The key word there, reserve, would make it skills wouldn't cost life unless they're reservations.

That would make auras completely unusable by CI users whereas life users could still use one ( not sure if they'd choose too ).
And that would be another buff to shavronne's wrappings ><.

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Fruz написал:

That would make auras completely unusable by CI users whereas life users could still use one ( not sure if they'd choose too ).
And that would be another buff to shavronne's wrappings ><.

So? The point is that it would be the minimalist change. The mod would now be CI viable (just no auras).

I am of the belief that no map mod should disqualify a build completely from running the map. I am not of the belief that map mods should not be build-dependent.

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ScrotieMcB написал:

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Fruz написал:

That would make auras completely unusable by CI users whereas life users could still use one ( not sure if they'd choose too ).
And that would be another buff to shavronne's wrappings ><.

So? The point is that it would be the minimalist change. The mod would now be CI viable (just no auras).

I am of the belief that no map mod should disqualify a build completely from running the map. I am not of the belief that map mods should not be build-dependent.

I agree.

I hope they do not think of doing something like adding a mod of "monsters ignore armor" or "monsters have RT"

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I am of the belief that no map mod should disqualify a build completely from running the map. I am not of the belief that map mods should not be build-dependent.

I definitely agree with that.
But actually, I have yet to roll a single BM map with my ranger, I'm really wondering if there isn't a check on "does the player rolling has CI ?". That's not good for group play though, but group play in this game ...........

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Fruz написал:

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I am of the belief that no map mod should disqualify a build completely from running the map. I am not of the belief that map mods should not be build-dependent.

I definitely agree with that.
But actually, I have yet to roll a single BM map with my ranger, I'm really wondering if there isn't a check on "does the player rolling has CI ?". That's not good for group play though, but group play in this game ...........

BM is the rarest map affix. This doesn't make it less unfair, but it does make it occur a lot less often.