"This loot system is flawed and needs to change!!"

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Tandimonium написал:

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KorganBloodaxe написал:

No it was changed to something both crowds hate.

I don't hate it. I would certainly be happy if it went back to FFA, but I am ok with it now.

So you prefered full-FFA, we prefer instanced. Maybe hate was a too strong word.

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Tandimonium написал:

You assume that the option you want is harmless and it is not. You will have groups of people farming bosses non-stop and everyone getting their own phat loots to flood the market with. That is going to hurt the ones playing FFA that cannot get their hands on things as easily. It would create an upper/lower class situation in a game where everyone should be on the same playing field.

Having the option to "Choose" to play FFA or Easy, does not make it better. It is still changing the game.

Then put it in it's own league and we see what happens. The game is still in beta, GGG could experiment with instanced loot. If you have instanced loot in it's own league you could reduce the magic-find bonus for grouping for instance.

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Tandimonium написал:

But what about my satisfaction? I don't think there should be a timer at all, but there is and I never said to get rid of it. I just don't think it needs to go any further in that direction. There is more then just one side unhappy right now, one has already budged and said that the timer is fine, the other demands more.

I think you're kinda missing my point. :\

This community is split in half and as you said, one side has already budged (and they're not happy about it judging by them popping into these threads to tell 'casuals' to get out) and neither people are happy about it.

As it currently stands right now, you can't have one or the other without the opposite team being upset with the decision. Why can't we have one and the other? You've already seen firsthand how people feel about loot distribution (both pro and anti FFA), ignoring the problem is only going to cause the community to continue lashing at each other until this forum has become nothing more than a battlefield between casual and hardcore.

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KorganBloodaxe написал:

Then put it in it's own league and we see what happens. The game is still in beta, GGG could experiment with instanced loot. If you have instanced loot in it's own league you could reduce the magic-find bonus for grouping for instance.

If there's one other touchy subject that incites more flame wars besides battles between hardcore and casual players, its how to handle the ingame economy.

Instanced loot is a terrible idea for that reason that both parties would be unhappy with. If loot doesn't remain evenly distributed (if we go with instanced loot), there would be a huge influx of items and currency and the economy would inflate exponentially.

Ideatime:

Instanced loot in Default league.

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Pizzarugi написал:

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KorganBloodaxe написал:

Then put it in it's own league and we see what happens. The game is still in beta, GGG could experiment with instanced loot. If you have instanced loot in it's own league you could reduce the magic-find bonus for grouping for instance.

If there's one other touchy subject that incites more flame wars besides battles between hardcore and casual players, its how to handle the ingame economy.

Instanced loot is a terrible idea for that reason that both parties would be unhappy with. If loot doesn't remain evenly distributed (if we go with instanced loot), there would be a huge influx of items and currency and the economy would inflate exponentially.

I don't get it. How would a new seperate league with instanced loot destroy the economy of the default league?
And you already have instanced loot if you play solo. Just decrease the magic-find bonus for grouping for the instanced-loot-league, if you're concerned for the economy.

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Tandimonium написал:

You assume that the option you want is harmless and it is not. You will have groups of people farming bosses non-stop and everyone getting their own phat loots to flood the market with. That is going to hurt the ones playing FFA that cannot get their hands on things as easily. It would create an upper/lower class situation in a game where everyone should be on the same playing field.

Sure if you let an idiot design and program it. Let's see if I can solve this issue in 5 seconds of thought....

Yes!

Have EXACTLY the same loot drop as would have dropped in the current system anyway, but randomly divide it among the players as personal loot.

Seriously, where did anyone suggest that instanced loot should mean MORE loot. Stop twisting things.

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KorganBloodaxe написал:

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Pizzarugi написал:

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KorganBloodaxe написал:

Then put it in it's own league and we see what happens. The game is still in beta, GGG could experiment with instanced loot. If you have instanced loot in it's own league you could reduce the magic-find bonus for grouping for instance.

If there's one other touchy subject that incites more flame wars besides battles between hardcore and casual players, its how to handle the ingame economy.

Instanced loot is a terrible idea for that reason that both parties would be unhappy with. If loot doesn't remain evenly distributed (if we go with instanced loot), there would be a huge influx of items and currency and the economy would inflate exponentially.

I don't get it. How would a new seperate league with instanced loot destroy the economy of the default league?
And you already have instanced loot if you play solo. Just decrease the magic-find bonus for grouping for the instanced-loot-league, if you're concerned for the economy.

I'm all in support of a separate temporary league to experiment how instanced loot would function so long as characters and stash get wiped and transferred to default league when its over.

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Nopileos написал:

So what? I would simply kick you.
It is also possible to implement a minimum range to receive loot.

But why? Why not just have everyone keep up to get loot and then no has to worry about unfair kicks, or kicks right after boss fights etc.

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mrmath написал:

Ideatime:

Instanced loot in Default league.

You forgot to equip your flame shield. And...no.

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Pizzarugi написал:

I'm all in support of a separate temporary league to experiment how instanced loot would function so long as characters and stash get wiped and transferred to default league when its over.

Finally some common ground after 13 pages of discussion.

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kaboo написал:

so basicaly what this thread is about is "dont use public groups if you want loot". the worst part is you think this is ok...

I think what this is about is - don't keep fighting mobs when something for you drops, and you notice someone else hanging back to collect. Go get your friggin loot if you want it. This is hard?

Suggestion from another thread: When someone grabs "your" loot - they get PvP flagged. The "owner" of said loot then has to decide if it's worth fighting for. Preserves the original intention of the loot mechanics, places the responsibility for loot squarely on who it belongs to, and provides a penalty for the so-called "ninja's".

IMO - this should be immediately implemented, then at least people would have something to whine about, as well as an idea of what this game is truly about.

This is NOT WoW. Nor D3. Nor Farmville with weapons.

I'll say this again also - Just because a game doesn't suit you does NOT mean said game needs to change. Move on or adapt.