Can We Get Rid of Death XP Penalties Already? Games Are Supposed to be Fun

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charliemim написал:

So, to summarize this gigantic thread, there are really two sides to the discussion. Three, if you count the wannabe ogre(s) that somehow get(s) endorphins from harassing people with words on the internet. Three doesn't count, though. Three has to live with who/what it is.

Anyway.

One side has evolved throughout the dialogue. It began with, "Remove the death penalty.". The all or nothing approach is often quite unpopular, simply because of its severity. Some people have stated valid reasons why a death penalty exists. The statements made good points.

The first side has, given these valid statements, modified its suggestion. It now reads like, "Alter the death penalty to be less severe or implement a different mechanic that punishes based on strategic decision making.". Examples include but aren't limited to the following.

1.) Lower the penalty to 5%.

2.) Make the penalty start at 5% but increase as more deaths occur within a given period of time.

3.) Attach the death penalty to the portal system. Perhaps make it incrementally greater each time a portal is consumed to enter the same instance upon death.

4.) Alter the amount of experience gained and/or the amount required to reach the final levels of advancement.

It has also been repeatedly noted, by both sides, that levels after 90 aren't actually that important regarding the success or failure of a build. They are essentially bonus points that give if anything minor QoL boosts. They do not determine the viability of any build.

So, it's not a big deal. Or -- is it?

The second side of the discussion seems to feel it is one of the most profound topics to perhaps ever be discussed. Ever. Removing or altering the death penalty in PoE is an issue of godly magnitude that will ultimately determine the future of the game and who plays it. And hey, that might be true.

This second side, which obviously contains very tough men weathered by grueling real-world experiences, feels that it's critical to ridicule the absolute (censored) out of anyone not fully on their side. People that don't completely agree with them are the enemy and should be destroyed at all costs.

We get it. You've gone out of your way to textually abuse the living (censored) out of the people that don't agree with you. It's a brilliant and proven strategy. We get it. You can (censored) chill the (censored) out now. Your mission is accomplished. In spades.

It's clear that PoE is a big scary game made for big tough individuals. The death penalty is there to abuse and to frustrate an already super abused and ridiculously frustrated mass of hardened veteran gamers. It's not for (and I honestly cringe as I type this) snowflakes. Sarcastically, he typed the paragraph.

The people that want to play and have fun in the later game are spineless (censored) (censored) (censored). Their mice and keyboards should be replaced by feather dusters and, I don't know, more feather dusters maybe. They should dual wield feather dusters. Again, sarcastically.

Thing is...

Stop. Seriously. It doesn't make you look tough, or smart, or strong, or whatever you think it does. It's just childish and lame. State your point, which you have. State valid points supporting your initial point, which you have. And then chill the (censored) out and let whatever happens or doesn't happen -- happen or not happen.

The third side? You should just be banned. Per the rules, not because I actually care about what happens to you. Most people don't. Nor will they ever. Sorry. It sucks. But, what can you do?

inb4 lolwut



But yeah.
Thanks.

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HaraldMKutscher написал:

Diablo 1 had no fucking death penalty aside from making you try again. It was a great game, a groundbreaking commercial and artistical success that defined a whole genre, and it had way more tactical depth than POE.

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Zee написал:

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HaraldMKutscher написал:

Diablo 1 had no fucking death penalty aside from making you try again. It was a great game, a groundbreaking commercial and artistical success that defined a whole genre, and it had way more tactical depth than POE.

Hello?

the death penalty in D1 is MUCH WORSE then XP loss.

When you died ALL YOUR GEAR stayed on your corpse! if you stirred up too many monsters or started a fight you could not handle you would die and NEVER be able to get ANY your gear back. Even if you had a set of backup equipment it was perilous, trying to win a fight you already lost with your good set.

maybe we should do that for PoE SC Leagues???

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HaraldMKutscher написал:

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Fruz написал:

I was just telling you that you are wrong.

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And reaching lvl 90 is not a big deal anymore anyway, and that is a level that allows you to play the game ...

And I am telling you you are wrong, so here we go again...

And I wouldn't exactly call lvl 90 "no big deal". Why is it a challenge about every single league and more important: when do you accomplish it?

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HaraldMKutscher написал:

are endless grinding and frustrating setbacks really doing GGG a favour?

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HaraldMKutscher написал:

Diablo 1 proved everybody wrong who claims that XP loss was necessary for quality

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HaraldMKutscher написал:

And about the "unnecessary" last levels - those points are just what you need to add a whole additional aspect to your build, like a DOT component to your elemental archer, or totems or curse efficency or whatever.

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HaraldMKutscher написал:

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Zee написал:

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HaraldMKutscher написал:

Diablo 1 had no fucking death penalty aside from making you try again. It was a great game, a groundbreaking commercial and artistical success that defined a whole genre, and it had way more tactical depth than POE.

Hello?

the death penalty in D1 is MUCH WORSE then XP loss.

When you died ALL YOUR GEAR stayed on your corpse! if you stirred up too many monsters or started a fight you could not handle you would die and NEVER be able to get ANY your gear back. Even if you had a set of backup equipment it was perilous, trying to win a fight you already lost with your good set.

maybe we should do that for PoE SC Leagues???

You seem to be referring to Diablo 2...or perhaps Diablo 1 multiplayer version I didn't play. Diablo 1 single player worked as I discribed.

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robmafia написал:

the hypocrisy is overwhelming.

gigantic tirades of strawman, namecalling, insults, instigating - while trying to criticize others for being "childish."

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Zee написал:

I played D1 from release day for months on a LAN - I never played single player but did play on the LAN solo. (after reading about this a bit) I guess in single player D1 you had to save and load your game, and when you died you were DEAD, but you could load the last saved game.

No comparison at all here - PoE is not a stand alone single player game where you can do load saved games. (on top of the fact that you would have lost ALL YOUR progress since the last save probably would equate to at least 10% of your XP to next level unless you saved constantly)

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Zee написал:

No comparison at all here - PoE is not a stand alone single player game where you can do load saved games. (on top of the fact that you would have lost ALL YOUR progress since the last save probably would equate to at least 10% of your XP to next level unless you saved constantly)