[3.5] CheeQu's CoC Ice Nova Assassin - Up to 7m Shaper DPS + Amazing Clearspeed [In-Depth Guide]

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ojejku написал:
It does not overwrite adrenaline flask, I was using same setup on my elementalist WO which is 98 as well ;) I just doubled checked that in character sheet for sure. I chose that roll instead of increased crit chance because I don't need any more crit chance and 12% ms + stun avoidance is so good (i know cyclone has can't be stunned, but from time to time you're not cycloning, only running). Moreover, for mapping that flask is better than acuities since life recovery is instant, same as my Shadowswitch chest for lvl28 ice nova ;)

You're right about ehp, but remember on MoM you get capped dodge chance with vaal grace for attacks and spells (12% spell dodge roll on boots), so your real ehp is much higher than 8k (5.6k+ life and 2.3k+ mom) so I would say it's about the same level but the investment you need to make is so much lower. Also Cinder flask recovers 3% mana on kill same as for life, so for MoM characters it's a dream come true thing. You just need to test it, I was more than happy, I just wanted to explore a different approach to have comparison. Now, once I've done it, I can honestly say MoM is awesome as well.

The bleed immunity, I don't have, but I have a corrupted frozen tail with 'corrupted blood cannot be inflicted on you', that's more than enough for mapping with so much ehp, recovery, leech & karui flask.


I see your points, but cinder, vaal grace, shadowstitch, all these cant work in isolated bosses and longer fights which is were defenses matter most. Thats why I always do and will keep avoiding these.

Also dodge etc are RNG and not really comparable to raw EHP! Those one shots will be rare but still can happen!

Dam if that mod works on top of adrenaline Ill have to add that mod to flask for mapping for sure!
Последняя редакция: CheeQu. Время: 6 янв. 2019 г., 7:34:57
Yeah but for those one shots you got 8k ehp with MoM, that should be more than enough, unless you're running terrible map mods with vulnerability, extra dmg, crit etc, but for that rolls even 12k es won't help you if you will get hit by some syndicate bullshit, you can see plenty of such deaths on reddit.

Vaal grace is just extra thing, without that you get 40/42 (attack/spell) adding up to this 8k ehp. Please also remember that with warlrods mark on hit you leech both, life and mana, so life and mana recovery from either cinder flask or shadowswitch chest is something extra for mapping, which helps with syndicates and all the bullshit you get on maps.

Having that said, I wouldn't underestimate dodge chance, it saved me so many times even in uber elder fight etc. I think MoM alternative is really strong.
Последняя редакция: ojejku. Время: 6 янв. 2019 г., 7:41:05
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Aim_Deep написал:
Hey MrPetrov I have question....Why arnt you going full blown Hybrid with the ES on hit? I mean hubri helm, sorc boots/gloves. With your tree you can get 3000-4000 ES on top of like 6K life for like 9-10K hybrid HP.


Hey bud. Sadly there's no way I could get the other stats I want with just hybrid gear - maybe on standard, but not on league at this stage.
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ojejku написал:
I think I'll share my experience. I was not really following any guide like yours @CheeQu and the one in scion section of course, I got already planned things before league started. I tested at least 5 different setups, because I like to test things on my own, rather than just reading the stuff and following it, that's how I play game for such a long time.

My current setup can be checked in my profile, it's same as you guys trying recently with discipline on hit, so just check my character (IJustWannaCrit) just to sum up:


EHP in total is ~9k, adding up 7.6k+ life and 1.2k+ es. I'll hit 7.7k+ life when I divine my jewels some gear and get lvl 99+.

I'm also missing some bits like discipline lvl 21, quality on 21 ice nova for 10% iaoe etc.

I saw you guys are obsessed about increasing your EHP which is totally fine, that's my approach as well, but the easiest thing to increase your EHP without investing so much on gear is just going MoM and Phase Acro. Anyway, you're investing mainly in defensive auras....

I had that setup previously, with 5.7k life and 2.3k mana and it is was so good with warlords mark on hit, that's also what that scion guides follows. If anybody would be interested I can share my previous tree for mom version.

I decided to switch to current setup because I just want to test different things as I mentioned in the beginning and I did get this WE (+crit chance with hatred and es on hit with discipline) I have on my character.

I also was playing with some serious DPS setups using this chest:

with empower lvl 4 I have ice nova lvl 28 (double dmg of lvl 20) and cyclone lvl 28 (+4 range).

I'm also streaming from while to while if you want to come by and see how it performs.


Nice man, this was actually, with the exception of tireless, exactly my tree before I went and got unnatural instinct and two minds of the meek! Even down to the power charges!

CheeQu - what do you think of the new tree I'm using, with unnatural instinct and 2x minds of the meek - I'm guessing too much IAS for a cyclone setup, but the resistances, life availability right up to level 100, movespeed, crit multi etc are all pretty tasty? You can ditch Kaom's roots and run a dual abyssal socket bubonic trail if you want more dps too.
Последняя редакция: mrpetrov. Время: 6 янв. 2019 г., 7:50:49
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mrpetrov написал:
CheeQu - what do you think of the new tree I'm using, with unnatural instinct and 2x minds of the meek - I'm guessing too much IAS for a cyclone setup, but the resistances, life availability right up to level 100, movespeed, crit multi etc are all pretty tasty?

Hey, ye I saw what you said about it but I'm still on mobile so I cant really compare them. Will be back and have access to PoB in 3 days so Ill check it out more then.

Really glad what you me and Aim_Deep have achieved with all these ideas rolling all the time.

Also reached 150k views on the guide already, pretty crazy considering it was released less than 2 weeks ago. This build might go mainstream next league if it survives patch notes day.
Последняя редакция: CheeQu. Время: 6 янв. 2019 г., 7:57:51
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CheeQu написал:
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mrpetrov написал:
CheeQu - what do you think of the new tree I'm using, with unnatural instinct and 2x minds of the meek - I'm guessing too much IAS for a cyclone setup, but the resistances, life availability right up to level 100, movespeed, crit multi etc are all pretty tasty?

Hey, ye I saw what you said about it but I'm still on mobile so I cant really compare them. Will be back and have access to PoB in 3 days so Ill check it out more then.

Really glad what you me and Aim_Deep have achieved with all these ideas rolling all the time.

Also reached 150k views on the guide already, pretty crazy considering it was released less than 2 weeks ago. This build might go mainstream next league if it survives patch notes day.


Cool! I hope you've had a great vacation and look forward to hitting you up when you're next online. Best fun I've had playing and theorycrafting since... 2012 or...ever?

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Hey,

Discipline with ES on hit is better. Also no, none of these count as leeching.

LL gem can cap your leech pretty fast (we also leech from cyclone cause of the tree) so no need for warlords. Warlords is good only for maps where you can get endurance charges (still less mitigation than enfeeble though) and so it's useless against end game bosses where you dont get charges. It's also good for mana leech but that can be easily solved without it aswell.

As I said Id go for acuity cause you can sell them easily if you change your mind and want more damage.[/quote]




Acuity it is thanks! I can rest my brain and continue to search for gear haha
Последняя редакция: Shock3r19711. Время: 6 янв. 2019 г., 8:38:35
Cheequ, Guys hello i have a question ,is there anybody who can look at mine profile and tell me whan to change or maybe what to upgrade ? I'm preety sure i messed some rolls needed and my build isn't effective as it should be .
What are good end game stats besides the normal life and resist stuff on rings? Going acuity so I need 2 rings.

Im guessing you get coral just for the extra life but we dont need more crit?

I think stuff like elemental/spell damage is good but dmg to attacks is not.. Is the leech from physical needed?


I see you are thinking about getting more jewel slots when u update the tree, which is what I was thinking of doing too. Any good watchers to go for?
Последняя редакция: Shock3r19711. Время: 6 янв. 2019 г., 8:47:15


What are viable upgrades besides cooldown recovery belt and 14% cospri?

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