3.14 KING OF ALL SUMMONERS. Zombies & Skeletons & Spectres on STEROIDS! | League-Start to End-Game

if my gems are wrong you might as well just tell everyone not to even follow the build your posting on!
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spellhydro45 написал:
what about using a sidhebreath?


VERY weak item for us. Except 25% cold res, it has nothing unsefull, that's why:
1) Max HP of minions - our minions gain a lot of HP from tree, from Gem levels and life steal. (in some cases also pretty decent ES) - pointless to waste amulet for it.
2) MS for minions - they are pretty fast already (with quality), we use Convocation to move them if ever needed, and they also gain not small amount of MS from tree - pointless to waste amulet for it.
3) Cold dmg for minions - i strongly recomend going pure Phys zombies (brutality support outclassing everything with Impale etc), and using Brutality support is removeing all non-physical dmg our zombies could do.
4) Reduced cost of minion skills - we are using only Convocation, as all the minions are permanently alive (except Carrion golem, he sometimes die but idk how or when, but very uncommon).

Summary - rare amulet with life, str and a bit of res outclass Sidhebreath by a lot. Using this amulet is really losing 1 item slot.

Edit: Now i see - you already got Astramentis. Yours is corrupted which remove a lot of additional Attribiutes - try to get one without corruption, annoy Deth Attument on it, and use Divine orbs when dropped to get 95+ attribiutes, Blessing orbs to get max Implicit attribiute (i think it was 16?) and catalyst from emtamorph to get even 20% more of all those stats. I was lucky and rolled mine for 99 + 16. Then added catalysts and now i got 137 to all attribiutes, comapred to your 82. 55 str more on a single item is a lot. There are few exacly same as mine, for 55-80c right now on the market.
Also, i strongly suggest getting some order in your gems - all is mixed up and incorrectly linked (even zombie links - replace minion speed with minion dmg, Empower lvl1 do nothing so put something there like Brutality, use your 2nd weapon slots to level Empower and some more gems).
You are not exping AG gem which is crucial for late game, Flesh and Stone, Maim, almost nothing is correct in your gems :(
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Zeratul_PL написал:
Small update regarding my char current status - invested total about 30ex into it:

Life 5,8k
ES 3,7k
Str - 1409

DPS per zombie - 689k
Number of Zombies - 11
Total DPS - 7,579mln

Next goal - reach 1500 str to gain additional zombie.

Current PoB (with Fork):
https://pastebin.com/CNdmq5Fu



Thanks for the info. I tried to import your pastebin PoB link but it seems to be not working.
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spellhydro45 написал:
if my gems are wrong you might as well just tell everyone not to even follow the build your posting on!
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Zeratul_PL написал:
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spellhydro45 написал:
what about using a sidhebreath?


VERY weak item for us. Except 25% cold res, it has nothing unsefull, that's why:
1) Max HP of minions - our minions gain a lot of HP from tree, from Gem levels and life steal. (in some cases also pretty decent ES) - pointless to waste amulet for it.
2) MS for minions - they are pretty fast already (with quality), we use Convocation to move them if ever needed, and they also gain not small amount of MS from tree - pointless to waste amulet for it.
3) Cold dmg for minions - i strongly recomend going pure Phys zombies (brutality support outclassing everything with Impale etc), and using Brutality support is removeing all non-physical dmg our zombies could do.
4) Reduced cost of minion skills - we are using only Convocation, as all the minions are permanently alive (except Carrion golem, he sometimes die but idk how or when, but very uncommon).

Summary - rare amulet with life, str and a bit of res outclass Sidhebreath by a lot. Using this amulet is really losing 1 item slot.

Edit: Now i see - you already got Astramentis. Yours is corrupted which remove a lot of additional Attribiutes - try to get one without corruption, annoy Deth Attument on it, and use Divine orbs when dropped to get 95+ attribiutes, Blessing orbs to get max Implicit attribiute (i think it was 16?) and catalyst from emtamorph to get even 20% more of all those stats. I was lucky and rolled mine for 99 + 16. Then added catalysts and now i got 137 to all attribiutes, comapred to your 82. 55 str more on a single item is a lot. There are few exacly same as mine, for 55-80c right now on the market.
Also, i strongly suggest getting some order in your gems - all is mixed up and incorrectly linked (even zombie links - replace minion speed with minion dmg, Empower lvl1 do nothing so put something there like Brutality, use your 2nd weapon slots to level Empower and some more gems).
You are not exping AG gem which is crucial for late game, Flesh and Stone, Maim, almost nothing is correct in your gems :(
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Mate, you asked for help, while messing most of the gems setup.
Author suggest getting minion speed - which in overall is far weaker than Brutality.
Your Flesh/stone and Miam were not even linked when i was checking your character previously.
Empower lvl 1 grants nothing on this level, so i suggested putting temporarly something in that slot, to actually use 6L not 5L.
There is no Holy Relic in this build.
You are not exping Animate Guardian which grants a lot of us.
Your boots are nowehere near the gem link suggested - you have Stone golem, mele splash, FF and Phase rush, while there is suggested Golem, FF, Genrerosity and Dread Banner.
All gems in Gloves are different from suggested - you put Pride, Enlighten, Flesh offering and Purity of elements, while author suggesting Withering step, Convocation, Spirit Offering and Desecrate.
Chest as well.

This is why i told you you have mixed everything incorrectly.
The efficient Training on the top of your tree is also a waste of slot - it transform only 2 small nodes into str, so it's better to use those skillpoints somewhere elso instead of pathing to that jewel slot so early on levels.

Also, as far as i know, Brunowa stopped supporting this build, and focused on his other guides.

Noone force you to follow my suggestions on improving your character. You have 73 lvl necro, seems like you abandoned this character already.

If you prefer to rage instead of listening how to improve your character - your choice. But you are not even following Brunowa version at all, so what's your point to be honest?
Последняя редакция: Zeratul_PL. Время: 15 окт. 2020 г., 7:01:54
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RLx27 написал:
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Zeratul_PL написал:
Small update regarding my char current status - invested total about 30ex into it:

Life 5,8k
ES 3,7k
Str - 1409

DPS per zombie - 689k
Number of Zombies - 11
Total DPS - 7,579mln

Next goal - reach 1500 str to gain additional zombie.

Current PoB (with Fork):
https://pastebin.com/CNdmq5Fu



Thanks for the info. I tried to import your pastebin PoB link but it seems to be not working.


Seems like something is wrong with pastebin. Here is "raw" code from PoB:
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Yup, tried few more time export into Pastebin, still doesn't work :( Lucly, the raw version working fine :)
Последняя редакция: Zeratul_PL. Время: 15 окт. 2020 г., 6:55:17
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@Dere_
Casting Desecrate and Offering manualy is pretty painfull, unless you want to spam 2 key constantly each second. I wouldn't recomend that tho. But it seems like this is how "bow user" should do - never played with bow tho, but you might try cast when dmg taken. Unfortunatly, i think this won't work smothly, and pressing the keys will be required.

To achive more dmg, you need mostly one of those 3 ways:
1) Get good elegant Hubris with at least 120% minion dmg
2) Change your auras (throw away determination for Pride, change golem from Stone to Carrion, Sprit into Flesh offering and respec from Misstres of Sacrifice into Bone Barrier (those 3 gems change your dps from 366k up to 511k, so about 40-45% more dmg)
3) Cluster Jewels - most expensive in my opinion, but strongest if done correctly (don't think about it without at least 25-30ex)

Also, small off-topic to you Dere - you choose to play with Bow, which is mostly used in speed farming, so pretty large dps but low survi. Then you got rest of the items for Tanky setup, and some mixed gems, much stronger oriented into Defensive than Offensive way. Tree looks also pretty defensive. Why did youd ecide to make such a mix? This way you loss both advantages - you are not as tanky as you could, and you have way smaller dps than you could (in a tanky gear, semi-dmg passive tree and offensive gems, i got over 582k per zombie right now).


Thanks for the tips. as for my gear the bow was a novice mistake. i kinda liked using cyclone but using wither isn't nearly as bad as i thought it might be and i'm okay with continuing using it. i don't really know how to follow the guide so i just used the pob that was there. i may have just skipped over some stuff, but i'm definitely gonna start by trying out the gems.
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Small update regarding my char current status - invested total about 30ex into it:

Life 5,8k
ES 3,7k
Str - 1409

DPS per zombie - 689k
Number of Zombies - 11
Total DPS - 7,579mln

Next goal - reach 1500 str to gain additional zombie.

Current PoB (with Fork):
https://pastebin.com/CNdmq5Fu



Thanks for the info. I tried to import your pastebin PoB link but it seems to be not working.


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Yup, tried few more time export into Pastebin, still doesn't work :( Lucly, the raw version working fine :)



Thank you, it's working now with the raw code. There's a lot that is different with my setup specially the weapon and upper part of the skill tree. Will try this out since I already invested so much with this build lol. Thanks again.
Hey, love this guide, really like the summoner playstyle. This is my second character this league and I burnt all my Chaos on putting together the BUDGET STARTER SETUP. I'd like to use that to farm currency to put together one of the more powerful gear sets.

In early yellows (T6-T7) the damage feels good but survivability is quite bad. I am dead or near death frequently.


My POB is here https://pastebin.com/swQLVvgT


With what I have, where should I be farming? What can I do short-term to increase stability and die less?


Thanks for the consideration. Neat guide, keep it up.
so i am looking for the 3.12 hiest update but i can only find the 3.11 info on the front page. am i looking in the wrong place?
Same here. I am kind of stuck. too squishy always random 1 shot random monster skill.
https://pastebin.com/62FgPabW
got minion damage 370%
Последняя редакция: kidrobot666. Время: 18 окт. 2020 г., 3:31:41
What happened to cyclone and cwc? Not a big fan of pressing 5 buttons for every group of mobs. Desecrate, offering, molten, withering and convocation when needed. Love the build, third league i use it. Thank you.

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