It's time for GGG to take back reigns of trade for the sake of the game

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Nubatron написал:

Going after the big fish is a good idea, except those people are probably exceedingly good at avoiding detection from trial and error. Getting them is absolutely harder than any of us would like it to be. And when they do finally get caught, it just means they lose their current set of mirrored items for the current league since it's impossible to ban someone and they'll back at it in short order. This is a business to these cheaters and a lost account or item is probably a part of their calculus. And for anyone who thinks you can ban relatively anonymous people permanently, try again. There is absolutely no way to ban someone who knows what they are doing. Banning streamers is a bit more effective because once they're banned, they can't really stream anymore for obvious reasons. For you or me though, they have no chance.

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Phrazz написал:

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Z3RoNightMare написал:

Then let us hear your suggestion on what they should do to mitigate it as strongly as possible, because all i'm seeing is why they should give up and let it be 100% unfettered.

As someone else in this thread would've said: It's their problem, not ours. And it's hard to imagine there being an "easy fix" when RMT apparently is a "multi billion dollar a year industry".

They are fighting it. Hell, even some of the recent 'evidence' talked about a "ban wave". And NO ONE in this thread has even hinted towards they should just "give up". If that is your take here, I don't know what to say.

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DarthSki44 написал:

Well maybe GGG taking some credit for what they actually are doing now would be helpful from a PR perspective?

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DarthSki44 написал:

The literal founder of TFT using his same ID across multiple RMT sites.

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Phrazz написал:

They are fighting it. Hell, even some of the recent 'evidence' talked about a "ban wave". And NO ONE in this thread has even hinted towards they should just "give up". If that is your take here, I don't know what to say.

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Phrazz написал:

Seriously? And we know for a fact that they're HIS accound, and not this Be**** dude trying implicate him? Because he seems like the vindictive type. Bah, you're probably right, I just find it very surprising that someone can be this stupid (that goes for him and the forces investigating).

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Phrazz написал:

And I agree it's very pubLic (smooth typo)

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Phrazz написал:

Seriously? And we know for a fact that they're HIS accound, and not this Be**** dude trying implicate him? Because he seems like the vindictive type. Bah, you're probably right, I just find it very surprising that someone can be this stupid (that goes for him and the forces investigating).

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RandallPOE написал:

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Phrazz написал:

Seriously? And we know for a fact that they're HIS accound, and not this Be**** dude trying implicate him? Because he seems like the vindictive type. Bah, you're probably right, I just find it very surprising that someone can be this stupid (that goes for him and the forces investigating).

I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt but the account on the site we aren't allowed to name is 2 years old and has an absolute shit ton of that site's currency. If someone made that for trolling purposes they sure did play the long game.

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Nulledout написал:

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Nubatron написал:

Going after the big fish is a good idea, except those people are probably exceedingly good at avoiding detection from trial and error. Getting them is absolutely harder than any of us would like it to be. And when they do finally get caught, it just means they lose their current set of mirrored items for the current league since it's impossible to ban someone and they'll back at it in short order. This is a business to these cheaters and a lost account or item is probably a part of their calculus. And for anyone who thinks you can ban relatively anonymous people permanently, try again. There is absolutely no way to ban someone who knows what they are doing. Banning streamers is a bit more effective because once they're banned, they can't really stream anymore for obvious reasons. For you or me though, they have no chance.

All of this is just false man. Again, software developer, wrote bots for a living. There is no way to completely protect yourself from detection just like there is no way to stop people from hacking your software, sans keeping most of it server side. Anything that is on the client, you have to expect will be exploited.

You will never stop the botting, people will always find ways around it. The trick to bringing it to a slow crawl is to hire a GM staff, and be actively policing your game. You need to stop all the little guys from botting and cheating. You hit them first and hit them hard. They will keep trying, but eventually it isn't worth it. The major farms are the harder target. They have private software they use which is harder to detect, but not impossible. There is always ways to monitor what is injected into your memory space.

Once you have most of the small fish out of the way, it is easier to detect the cheating as there will be less false flags. You can then start working on the people who do this for a living as they become easier to spot. It isn't hard to do especially with pattern tracking via an algorithm. The start up is always slow, but as you improve your algorithm it becomes easier and easier.

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Nubatron написал:

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Nulledout написал:

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Nubatron написал:

Going after the big fish is a good idea, except those people are probably exceedingly good at avoiding detection from trial and error. Getting them is absolutely harder than any of us would like it to be. And when they do finally get caught, it just means they lose their current set of mirrored items for the current league since it's impossible to ban someone and they'll back at it in short order. This is a business to these cheaters and a lost account or item is probably a part of their calculus. And for anyone who thinks you can ban relatively anonymous people permanently, try again. There is absolutely no way to ban someone who knows what they are doing. Banning streamers is a bit more effective because once they're banned, they can't really stream anymore for obvious reasons. For you or me though, they have no chance.

All of this is just false man. Again, software developer, wrote bots for a living. There is no way to completely protect yourself from detection just like there is no way to stop people from hacking your software, sans keeping most of it server side. Anything that is on the client, you have to expect will be exploited.

You will never stop the botting, people will always find ways around it. The trick to bringing it to a slow crawl is to hire a GM staff, and be actively policing your game. You need to stop all the little guys from botting and cheating. You hit them first and hit them hard. They will keep trying, but eventually it isn't worth it. The major farms are the harder target. They have private software they use which is harder to detect, but not impossible. There is always ways to monitor what is injected into your memory space.

Once you have most of the small fish out of the way, it is easier to detect the cheating as there will be less false flags. You can then start working on the people who do this for a living as they become easier to spot. It isn't hard to do especially with pattern tracking via an algorithm. The start up is always slow, but as you improve your algorithm it becomes easier and easier.

Although I do believe the problem set between RMT and botting have significant overlap in the difficulty in stopping them, they are not the same. You seem to have switched topics to botting, so I'll discuss that for a moment. Botting does have signatures and since GGG now takes a peek at the software that is running, it is more difficult for the less knowledgeable player to hide running a bot.

The hard part with detecting bots without a telltale application is that this game rewards bot like behavior. Running the same thing over and over and over with repeatable motions and movements is not unique to bots in a game like this. So paying attention to how an account acts can be misleading and also lead to false positives.

You can spout platitudes about you how want the game to be and you won't find many people disagreeing. The issue is that so many people in this thread seem to think it's easy and even possible to eradicate this stuff. It's not. And furthermore, going too hard into trying to eradicate it could cause more harm than good. That's been my point multiple times now.

We can pretend it's easy if it makes everyone happy. But it's not.