Why dedicate my time if I can lose all my XP with a death penalty?

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galloper#2354 написал:

One-death per map HAS TO GO.
Along with the exp penalty, this two things are intertwined.
If the allowed gameplay includes such as when you are about to die you can pause the game and log out (people vastly abuse this feature as seen on countless streams/youtube videos) then the whole thing has ZERO meaning and is only there to punish/anger the mediocre player making them to drop the game faster - which is not a good thing for any of us.

Lost a 1200% juiced to the bones Copper Citadel yesterday because of a client crash at 10% on boss. Logged back in and I was dead. Not only did I lose 3 hours of farming, I also lost 8 Divine.

Both of the mentioned mechanics are HORRID to the overall quality of life of the game and need to be gone.

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dkp#0523 написал:

The players who get to 100 are the ones who:
- Constantly improve their gameplay
- Keep investing in their gear until it gets super powerful
- Keep investing in their gems to get the max power out of them
- Figure out skill and passive tree combinations to maximize damage output, such that they can "nuke" the screen with a few clicks
- Figure out boss weaknesses such that they can drop a boss in a few seconds

Game is working as intended.

So do you think you have the skills yourself? I did check your profile, and you have no level 100 characters. As for hardcore ones, you don't even have a single level 80 (but you have an achievement for getting 70 in hardcore so you definitely tried it). Maybe you shouldn't be talking that much about skill and trying to shut everyone up in every single XP loss on death thread, because it seems you are the one that needs to 'git gud' first (judging by your own words).

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Bacon_Overlord#1834 написал:

First of all there aren't "several hundred thousand players".

Amazing how someone can be so wrong multiple times a day

80%+ are bots, look at how the low stays so high. Remember when people said lost ark had a bunch of players until they did a massive bot cull.

People would stop complain about death penalty if their maps could give more exp. Because generally their complaint means "we need too much time to reach 100".

And we really do need way too much time. Right now breach gives a couple million exp at best because maps are way too narrow (like crypt, slick and others of this kind). So breach can't spawn many monsters. While breach on large maps can give a few times more exp. If all the maps were like Steppe (a lot of open space) the majority of the players would stop whining.

But right now i am about to join them too, becasue i got killed on a level 96 by "on death" in very narrow passage between walls, where I couldn't even see monsters left their "on death". I'm not going to run away from every single group of monster I killed, to guarantee my safety, so, they actually have to get rid of narrow maps or "on death" or exp loss. They can't have all that in the same time.

Thinking about uninstall, since I'm damn stuck at lvl 88 for last 3 days, spending all my exalt to somehow deal with that sweet "penalty"

No currency increase, no ways to improve my build apart from "Alwa gambling"

Seriously, screw it

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nitefox1337#3569 написал:

It's an obsolete mechanic remnant of a Diablo 2 phase devs cant seem to leave.

This isn't really an argument. "Old = bad" holds 0 merit.

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nitefox1337#3569 написал:

It doesn't bring any challenge. In fact, it turns "Challenge" to "Gamble".

This could be a better argument, but I honestly don't understand what you mean by "gamble" here. What exactly is the gamble?

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nitefox1337#3569 написал:

It's a mechanic that aims to punish players for actually playing the game.

Well, it punishes the player for playing the game "wrong" (whatever that means to the developers).

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nitefox1337#3569 написал:

Difficulty, is when a player fight a hard to beat Boss.

XP Loss on Char Death is just punishing the player for attempting to beat a Boss.

Its that simple.

It's punishment for death if you have progress toward the next level. If you don't, you can't lose a level, so it effectively doesn't exist if you try a boss then. This is similar to what you might do in a Souls game. I know that probably isn't the most satisfying response, I'm simply putting the thing into perspective. But you're absolutely right that it's not a challenge. It's not meant to be. It's an obstacle. Like a speed bump. The speed bump isn't there to challenge your ability to get over it. It's literally there to slow you down.

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nitefox1337#3569 написал:

Those who defend this mechanic are simply gamblers.

I still just don't get what you think the gamble is.

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nitefox1337#3569 написал:

On another note, the arguments players who defend this mechanic make are areguments they completely ignore when asked why they don't play "Hardcore".

Hypocricy in all levels.

It's actually really disingenuous to compare this to Hardcore. "Any punishment at all for death" is not equivalent to Hardcore. Losing 10% of your progress to the next level is orders of magnitude from losing your entire character.

People haven't played Diablo 2 where you died your corpse was on the floor with all your loot and you could actually lose it all.

But I feel the pain in this thread, the thing I am mostly frustrated about is the 1 portal thing. I am quite a casual player and I don't like to do meta or can't afford it (lol). Which makes it a pain to gain enough shit to do a pinnacle boss.

Because I haven't done any of it and am not gonna watch a video on it on how to beat, I enter w/o knowledge and when I die before the fight I can't learn more from that fight. I also lost all progress in this story and can farm again. It sucks, its stupid and most of all a mood killer. I play with my dad, uncle, brother and best friend and no one of us likes this new mechanic it's even becoming something we dislike and makes people stop playing for the evening. Continue this shit and they will likely never come back.

I've spent a lot of hours in PoE1, had some shitty leagues but most of all the time spent with my family/friends was always worth it. But this game is way too hard to play with them, because when 1 dies he/she has to wait forever to get the humongous map to be completed.

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Genji084#1434 написал:

People haven't played Diablo 2 where you died your corpse was on the floor with all your loot and you could actually lose it all.

Yes, some had played D2... but it was 20 years ago. Games evolved, losing loot, exp was pretty impactfull back in the day... nowadays is just nonsense.

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Genji084#1434 написал:

But I feel the pain in this thread, the thing I am mostly frustrated about is the 1 portal thing. I am quite a casual player and I don't like to do meta or can't afford it (lol). Which makes it a pain to gain enough shit to do a pinnacle boss.

It! The one portal thing is the most aggravating on the whole concept. We have no chance to watch, test, learn what is happening... specially on Unique/Pinnacle bosses.

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Fancysalad#2034 написал:

One thing I find interesting is that the XP penalty complaints are often accompanied by complaints about on death effects and one shots that couldn't possible be foreseen. Frankly I don't understand this, everything is forecast in some manner. I can't think of a time where I died where I didn't know exactly (or was reasonable sure) what had killed me. Also if you don't like on death effects stop remaining static on top of enemy corpses... People too lazy to adapt their play style to the in game challenges and cover all their defensive bases then complain and ask for the whole game to be dumbed down. Removing challenge from the game devalues the entire experience (thats not to say there isn't QOL issues with POE2) Also the death penalty is only felt from 90 - 100... So what are people complaining about that they're not being handed 100 for free?

sounds like you need to quit complaining and get good so you can actually play hardcore.

Are you to lazy and unwilling for the challenge? To dumb to ask and just complaining?

I play hardcore everyday and its called dealing with people like you in person.


Comments like you always come with this sense of superiority and yall never play hardcore. Been here forever and by all accounts appear to still be terrible at the game. Why are you still not playing hardcore, seems like you must be really good at the game with all this experience.

And you literally dont play so how are you even able to oomment on this? Its insane how terrible of takes individuals like yourself have on this.

Lol you get the award for the most hypercritical post ever. I am saying that the game mechanics are well forecast and generally easily discernible (caveat that you need a reasonable amount of play time to recognise them) so the complaints around random and unpredictable deaths are unwarranted.

What does this have to do with playing hardcore? Your comment is flexing that you play hardcore and are therefore better than everyone else, talk about a sense of superiority.

"Literally don't play", "been here forever" a lot of contrary statements in your post. I'll take it you meant you don't play hardcore so therefore aren't entitled to an opinion.

The existence of hardcore isn't a reason to remove all challenges from the standard game (nor is it the only qualifier for having an opinion on the forum). If you're arguing that hardcore removes the need for XP penalty in standard then I would agree there's a case to be made. I don't think its a reason to trivialise on death effects though.

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Genji084#1434 написал:

But I feel the pain in this thread, the thing I am mostly frustrated about is the 1 portal thing. I am quite a casual player and I don't like to do meta or can't afford it (lol). Which makes it a pain to gain enough shit to do a pinnacle boss.

Because I haven't done any of it and am not gonna watch a video on it on how to beat, I enter w/o knowledge and when I die before the fight I can't learn more from that fight. I also lost all progress in this story and can farm again. It sucks, its stupid and most of all a mood killer. I play with my dad, uncle, brother and best friend and no one of us likes this new mechanic it's even becoming something we dislike and makes people stop playing for the evening. Continue this shit and they will likely never come back.

I've spent a lot of hours in PoE1, had some shitty leagues but most of all the time spent with my family/friends was always worth it. But this game is way too hard to play with them, because when 1 dies he/she has to wait forever to get the humongous map to be completed.

The one portal thing is asinine in so many ways. Like if you want to actually play multiplayer with friends. One of them dies? Well, now they're just spectating. Talk about fun! What purpose is that serving except to make this a lousy game for playing with friends? With how much effort they put into online infrastructure to support that style of play, turning around and making it work like this makes absolutely no sense at all.

The whole thing just encourages overly conservative, safe, boring play. And yeah, it super punishes anyone who wants to actually go into a new boss without doing extensive research first and wants to... you know... discover the game by playing the game.

I can't fathom the design process that came up with this.