Balance is in a worrying state

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saturninecult#7044 написал:

Seems like everyone (including GGG) forgot that this is supposed to be early access game, with constant updates to things. But no "we want leagues.."

Constant updates are cool until peoples characters get bricked and they just quit and maybe come back in a patch or two.

Balance being weird isn't the hugest deal because it indeed a beta but feedback like this thread and others give GGG a good idea of what people do and don't like at the moment.
If some systems or methodologies need massive reworks the sooner the better

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MathiasSoul#7397 написал:

Mid league nerfs can continue to get bent,

PTS would be cool though, that idea's a solid one, test environments with feedback tickets are always nice. I think that might actually require a larger team than they have though, to sort the PTR tickets. Unsure

Mid league nerfs are vital. We should have balance passes every 2 weeks or so. What we do NOT need. Is nuclear blasts from orbit deleting entire builds to the ground. Folks need to understand bad balance is bad for the game.

If you don't want your characters nerfed mid league then don't play EA. EA should be the time for rapid improvement of the game and thats the entire reason there is an Early Access disclaimer on steam. This is not a finished game. Players need to get over their characters being nerfed. Especially since respec is easy right now.

If you're playing EA you do so because you want the game to improve. Stop acting like this game is fully released.

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Coconutdoggy#1805 написал:

Last time they did mid league nerfs most of the forum when OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU hence they don't do that anymore.

Hence we don't get mid buffs anymore either.

You can thank them.

the forum posters are their own worst enemy

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roachmanley#2097 написал:

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MathiasSoul#7397 написал:

Mid league nerfs can continue to get bent,

PTS would be cool though, that idea's a solid one, test environments with feedback tickets are always nice. I think that might actually require a larger team than they have though, to sort the PTR tickets. Unsure

Mid league nerfs are vital. We should have balance passes every 2 weeks or so. What we do NOT need. Is nuclear blasts from orbit deleting entire builds to the ground. Folks need to understand bad balance is bad for the game.

how do you do mid league nerfs without destroying broken builds that rely on some unintended interaction

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RedaOu#0533 написал:

If you don't want your characters nerfed mid league then don't play EA. EA should be the time for rapid improvement of the game and thats the entire reason there is an Early Access disclaimer on steam. This is not a finished game. Players need to get over their characters being nerfed.

I agree with this.

It's really weird to me that GGG would rather go so far as to have an "Early Access League" with everyone's old, broken characters (by which I mean "no longer functioning" just as much as "over-powered") after release instead of just wiping everything. To me it kind of feels like a lack of commitment to moving the game forward. But maybe I'm just exaggerating.

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RedaOu#0533 написал:

If you don't want your characters nerfed mid league then don't play EA. EA should be the time for rapid improvement of the game and thats the entire reason there is an Early Access disclaimer on steam. This is not a finished game. Players need to get over their characters being nerfed.

I agree with this.

It's really weird to me that GGG would rather go so far as to have an "Early Access League" with everyone's old, broken characters (by which I mean "no longer functioning" just as much as "over-powered") after release instead of just wiping everything. To me it kind of feels like a lack of commitment to moving the game forward. But maybe I'm just exaggerating.

Its just the unfortunate new-normal of game devs using EA as a soft release with plausible deniability for bugs and jank. Steam should enforce requirements for EA such as no MTX or monetisation past the initial purchase for EA access.

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JODYHiGHR0LLER#6171 написал:

Mid league nerfs will never be acceptable until GGG is able to do them properly.
They would get far less outrage if they didn't constantly OBLITERATE builds to the point of being unplayable.

When they NUKE builds people quit, I would.

Nerfing builds also isn't gonna help balance at all, people will just go to the next best thing until we have more options.
The solution is buffing the shit nobody likes, not going after the things that people do like.

Right. Like after 3 seasons, how are chalupa monk and chrono not just broken op. They don't do anything to make people want to play them above 1%. That should be an obvious slap in the face that half the player base plays one ascendency and their solution is buff it and nerf lower played ascendancies. Not even looking at weapon type %'s. How is mace still so freaking bad compared to everything else. Like, made a new character since mace warrior made me rage with the new abyss. Went huntress and instantly 100x easier just by going range. Same damage, faster, and at range. Night and day differences.

Try Totems on Warbringer with Hateforge gloves and Shouts generate Rage. You'll change your mind real fast about those maces, my friend

You can get all that early game like lvl 10? If not, it dosent help at all.

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Soulsniper1313#7576 написал:

You can get all that early game like lvl 10? If not, it dosent help at all.

Early game balancing really is in a pretty bad spot. Once you're in endgame you can pretty much make everything work from the sounds of it, but Act 1-3 is just not ok.
The best acts I've done so far were crossbows and pretty much the only skills that did anything were Explosive Grenade and Normal Attack. Everything else felt so weak it wasn't even worth using.

When you have 10+ skill gems available and the normal attack is the strongest option against Jamanra, I think there might be a problem. Other weapons just felt even worse.

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JODYHiGHR0LLER#6171 написал:

Mid league nerfs will never be acceptable until GGG is able to do them properly.
They would get far less outrage if they didn't constantly OBLITERATE builds to the point of being unplayable.

When they NUKE builds people quit, I would.

Nerfing builds also isn't gonna help balance at all, people will just go to the next best thing until we have more options.
The solution is buffing the shit nobody likes, not going after the things that people do like.

+1000000

This, a million percentage this!!!

If they werent completely cluelss about balance and totally NUKE builds so they go from extremely op to useless, people would not mind.

They seriously need to hire some new people in charge of the balance, because they balance adjustments are just completely off the charts. It´s extremely bad.


This league for example. Everyone could see even before 0.3 release deadeye ranger gonna be very op, and about half the playerbase started with it.

If everyone and their mother understand this before even playtesting it. There´s no other way to put it but the people in charge of balance are completely clueless.