Undying Evangelist vs Arc

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SL4Y3R написал:

Maybe this is why arc has such high dmg..

Maybe. But not higher than given examples.

What given examples?
I can give examples like Spark, Ice Nova, Shock Nova. Let's compare Arc to those?

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Starxsword написал:

What given examples?
I can give examples like Spark, Ice Nova, Shock Nova. Let's compare Arc to those?

Read my posts @ first page to see several ones.

Shock and Ice Nova isn't core skills for damage. Nor do they function as projectiles as arc does.

Spark is a projectile-spell. Arc isn't. Read the first page. Try to stay on point.

Firstly, the bubbles protect in inner from all source of dmg from the outside, except dot.
Secondly, did you just complain about arc being underpower at its current state ? Wut :|

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0versky написал:

Firstly, the bubbles protect in inner from all source of dmg from the outside, except dot.
Secondly, did you just complain about arc being underpower at its current state ? Wut :|

Firstly; this has already been established in the Thread. Have you not read it?

Secondly; No. Have you not read the thread? I am very specific regarding the issue, and i point out that it's isolated.

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Cergic написал:

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0versky написал:

Firstly, the bubbles protect in inner from all source of dmg from the outside, except dot.
Secondly, did you just complain about arc being underpower at its current state ? Wut :|

Firstly; this has already been established in the Thread. Have you not read it?

Secondly; No. Have you not read the thread? I am very specific regarding the issue, and i point out that it's isolated.

Do you think it lacks support gem and therefore dmg is lack luster ? Faster casting + spell echo + lightning pen + empower + x/y added damage / crit multi , enough for a 6L to me.

Arc is one of, if not the best spell for self-cast in the current state of the game, there's a reason for it to be the fotm spell. Raw dps wise, arcer only lose out to discharger atm, and killspeed wise, arcer is kind due to the auto-chain which allows one to mindlessly spam without aiming.

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Cergic написал:

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Thalandor написал:

The bubble is a "proximity" shield and not a "projectile" shield, so it protects against anything if you're standing outside of it.

For example, I can't hit an evangelist using Reave when I'm outside the bubble. So yeah even melee attacks with long range gets screwed.

Fair enough. But the core problem still stands: Arc won't benefit from supportive gems which Reave will. Neither will Arc benefit from Projectile supportive gems. As i write in the OP, it's a very isolated issue.

Why do you want all spell /skills to benefits from the same support gems/ arc to have the projectile tag ? I prefer to have different skills/spells have different functionality and scale from different things. If arc/searing bond/freezing pulse/EK/lightning ball/flameblast all benefits from the same set of support gems, then what's the point of having different skill in the first place anyway ?

I just don't see why arc doesn't share the same support gems set as Reave/other spell or it doesnt tag as projectile an issue =/ ?

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Cergic написал:

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Thalandor написал:

The bubble is a "proximity" shield and not a "projectile" shield, so it protects against anything if you're standing outside of it.

For example, I can't hit an evangelist using Reave when I'm outside the bubble. So yeah even melee attacks with long range gets screwed.

Fair enough. But the core problem still stands: Arc won't benefit from supportive gems which Reave will. Neither will Arc benefit from Projectile supportive gems. As i write in the OP, it's a very isolated issue.

Something with this is that it can never be balanced anymore due to uniques like this
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Crown_of_Eyes

All spell damage modifiers being applied to attacks? while the reverse is iron will which just applies str damage boost to the skill being supported by the gem at much higher cost, far less benefit.

Which is why spectral throw was far easier to decimate whole areas using low life CoE builds then a arc build ever will be, without even taking into account CoC.

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Read my posts @ first page to see several ones.

Shock and Ice Nova isn't core skills for damage. Nor do they function as projectiles as arc does.

Spark is a projectile-spell. Arc isn't. Read the first page. Try to stay on point.

I did and you don't make sense. You said given examples, what examples? All I see was Evangelist vs Arc. That problem was resolved.
Then, you say Arc isn't a projectile, and the question is, why should it be a projectile?

Now, Shock and Ice Nova aren't core skills for damage? So, what exactly are you trying to compare Arc with?

Also, Ice Nova is one of the better spells to use in races, if you play them. Their issue is that they don't scale well as you level up.

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Starxsword написал:

I did and you don't make sense. You said given examples, what examples?

Well, you can't comprehend the written language then. I wrote Lightning Arrow, Ball Lightning, Poison Arrow and "Neither will arc benefit from projectile support gems" <----- which is silly since Arc functions like any other projectile in nature.

@ Jiero, fair enough.

@ Oversky, thanks for breaking it down. Yes, it is "enough" but less than many other. If they made arc count as a projectile, a whole new area would open.

What i'm trying to say is that while the Evangelist Bubble is unbeatable, projectile-based spells have more options. Period. That's why i wrote "isolated". A lot of gems already benefit from the same ones.

But yeah, i'm not even saying that you're wrong (anyone). I'm currently leveling an Arc witch meself, so i don't have a problem with the skill in general. Just with this.

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I wrote Lightning Arrow, Ball Lightning, Poison Arrow and "Neither will arc benefit from projectile support gems" <----- which is silly since Arc functions like any other projectile in nature.

Lightning Arrow and Poison Arrow are projectiles, because they are arrows. Ball Lightning is a projectile, because it is a flying ball of electricity.
How is Arc similar? Arc is instant, it travels from point A to point B near instantaneously. It is more like a laser, like Searing Bond.

You aren't making sense, because you are comparing things that shouldn't be compared to.

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What i'm trying to say is that while the Evangelist Bubble is unbeatable, projectile-based spells have more options. Period. That's why i wrote "isolated". A lot of gems already benefit from the same ones.

Yes, projectile based spells have more options, now the question is, so what? It has nothing to do with Arc. I hope you aren't trying to make all spells have the same support tags.

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But yeah, i'm not even saying that you're wrong (anyone). I'm currently leveling an Arc witch meself, so i don't have a problem with the skill in general. Just with this.

I don't see any issue. Arc isn't a projectile and should not be a projectile.

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If they made arc count as a projectile, a whole new area would open.

If they are to make Arc a projectile, they will have to change how it works. It cannot be instant nor can it auto target like what it is doing right now. There are currently no projectiles that auto target and all projectiles can be manually dodged.
Then, they will also need to nerf the damage on Arc down to make sure the Projectile supports don't make it overpowered.
Of course, all this means is that it isn't really Arc anymore.