Undying Evangelist vs Arc
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You kind of ignore that Arc chains 5 times at level 20, so you have a built in support gem. And it always hits. And it gives chance to shock so you have built in shock stacking without needing to crit. And comparing it to Lightning Arrow, you get all your damage from the gem without needing a decent weapon. Plus you can miss with Lightning Arrow and you have to target a monster for it to hit, while Arc is autotargeting.
No need to accuse me of not reading or understanding the English language. I do just fine. But your point is ludicrous. Would you not think it stupid if I made the same post complaining that Lightning Arrow shouldn't need to do an accuracy check since Arc doesn't need it? Guild Leader The Amazon Basin <BASIN>
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More agree with OP than disagree.
I was also wondering for a long time why: - Arc can't damage through the bubble? (it's not projectile) For all those who say "but P.S. protects from all outside damage" - remember traps, for example - they don't "bounce away" from prox.shield. Paradox (or bad programming)? - You don't bounce away with leap slam (what? outside damage, technically) - Arc can be "chained" with support gem (uniq. exception. okay, leave it as is for now) - (too lazy to check if the Lightning Arrow would damage shielded evangelist when nearby monster was struck directly by it) No one say that arc should benefit from LMP\GMP or other "proj.support gems", but this is a nice example of Dungeon Master's "you can do this and this, but not that and in that way", unreasonable limitations (let's call it so) Prox.shield should either protect from (really) all "outside" damage or be redesigned according to distribution of damaging skills Remember, suffering is convenient.
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"Traps don't do any damage. The spells that the traps cast do the damage and if the spell originates from inside the proximity shield, it will not be affected. Put a lightning trap outside that shield and if another monster sets it off, you will see the monster inside the shield is protected. "Not outside damage, technically. You are inside the shield when the damage occurs. Just like if you toss a spectral throw from outside the shield and get inside the shield before the returning projectile hits the monster again. "It's not so much protecting against outside damage, but damage generated outside when the source is also outside. If the source moves inside before the damage hits, the shield will not protect. If you cast Ball Lightning with Slower Projectiles (so it's easy to see) from outside the shield and run inside the shield, those lightning balls will damage the monster even though they originated outside the shield. Guild Leader The Amazon Basin <BASIN>
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" Thanks. That pretty much covers it from my part. :) +1 @ Mark - i never did? My point is not ludicrous at all, and it would be silly for you to start complaining on LA because i've written Several Times that the issue is very Isolated and limited. I mean, look at the damn Thread title. I'm not comparing skills in general. @ Starxsword - the behaviour of Arc and other ranged attacks are very similar. That's why. "Ball Lightning is a projectile, because it is a flying ball of electricity." yeah well Arc is a beam of lightning that starts at one point and ends at another? Just like any other traveling matter. You're just "deciding" that Arc isn't a projectile. This isn't even the core topic, however. Read HarukaTeno's post and my previous ones, please. I know that it isn't a projectile-accounted spell; I've written it myself several times before you posted. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1552460 - my drop solution
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But Arc is not the isolated example you say it is. Why not say Flame Surge should be a projectile too? And Glacial Cascade? And Firestorm? And Storm Call? They all have some properties that could be considered projectile. Why is Arc the only one you think is getting the shaft?
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" Because arc is 50% dmg. Specific. And Arc is incredibly similar to projectile. That's why. Nothing else x) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1552460 - my drop solution
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" No, it does not. No projectile attacks auto targets. No projectile attacks are instant. Arc is functionally different from other projectile attacks. " Except, it is instant, like Searing Bond. Try this, fire Arc in a random direction with an enemy outside of Arc range. Do you notice that Arc doesn't go anywhere? Now, trying firing any projectile spell/attack in any direction with an enemy out of range. Do you notice that all projectile attacks/spells will get fired in that general direction? Arc doesn't do this. Arc does not travel any distance if the target is out of target. It either hits or does not go anywhere. Let me repeat this, Arc is different from a projectile attack/spell. What you seem to want to do is change all range attacks to projectile attacks, which is ridiculous. " 50% damage effectiveness has no meaning. Fireball is a projectile, it is 100% damage effectiveness. Incinerate is a projectile, it has 30% damage effectiveness. |
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" 1: Yes it does. And please, just because it's got some built in unique functions (just like any other god damn skill) doesn't mean it's not sharing similarities with the term projectile, especially in this game. Incinerate isn't a projectile either and it still counts. 2: And it doesn't matter if it's instant. Searing bond is a totem and a fixed point between A and B. Arc isn't. See point 1. No, i don't want to make all ranged attacks projectile. That's not what i'm saying. *sigh* you seem stubborn, dense and not interested in the core aspect of the thread or what i'm saying. You obviously move away from the Evangelist Bubble-issue here. Don't. 3: It has plenty meaning. Are you stupid? "Note that there is a 50% damage reduction on this gem, meaning all additional damage (including from Support Gems) will be halved." <------- From the Wiki. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1552460 - my drop solution
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That's not correct. The damage effectiveness ONLY applies to supports. The listed damage on Arc is the damage. It's not half that. And do you know why it has 50% damage effectiveness? It's because the spell is so powerful, you have to lower the effectiveness of adding supports or you will faceroll the whole game.
Would you be satisfied if the made Arc a projectile and removed the free chaining? Would that make it better? I think you'd be the only one who would like that. Guild Leader The Amazon Basin <BASIN> Play Nice and Show Some Class www.theamazonbasin.com Последняя редакция: mark1030#3643. Время: 6 июл. 2014 г., 09:20:29
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" *Sigh* That is not what i am saying. At all. Can you fucking please read what i write and stop accusing me of a lot of unrelated crap? Are you den se or just unwilling to accept that the topic is a matter which is isolated? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1552460 - my drop solution
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