Undying Evangelist vs Arc

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1: Yes it does. And please, just because it's got some built in unique functions (just like any other god damn skill) doesn't mean it's not sharing similarities with the term projectile, especially in this game. Incinerate isn't a projectile either and it still counts.


There is no similarity to projectile. You are using some self defined definition of projectile. A range attack may or may not be a projectile. Going from point A to point B does not define projectiles. A melee attack goes from point A to poing B.

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That's not what i'm saying. *sigh* you seem stubborn, dense and not interested in the core aspect of the thread or what i'm saying. You obviously move away from the Evangelist Bubble-issue here. Don't.


I can say the same about you. You seem blind to what projectile means by redefining it. Projectile is an object, read object, that flies through the air. Can you not understand that Arc is not an object?

Oh? Now you want to talk about Evangelist. I thought it was resolved so I didn't say anything. Let's talk about Proximity Shield then.
Proximity Shield blocks all attacks/spells originating from outside the shield. I am not sure what more do you want from it.

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3: It has plenty meaning. Are you stupid? "Note that there is a 50% damage reduction on this gem, meaning all additional damage (including from Support Gems) will be halved." <------- From the Wiki.


It has no meaning, because it is unrelated to the current discussion. We are discussing if Arc is a projectile or not.

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Can you fucking please read what i write and stop accusing me of a lot of unrelated crap?


I ask that you really should try to understand where people are coming from. You are simply ignore what is being said.
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Starxsword написал:
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1: Yes it does. And please, just because it's got some built in unique functions (just like any other god damn skill) doesn't mean it's not sharing similarities with the term projectile, especially in this game. Incinerate isn't a projectile either and it still counts.


There is no similarity to projectile. You are using some self defined definition of projectile. A range attack may or may not be a projectile. Going from point A to point B does not define projectiles. A melee attack goes from point A to poing B.

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That's not what i'm saying. *sigh* you seem stubborn, dense and not interested in the core aspect of the thread or what i'm saying. You obviously move away from the Evangelist Bubble-issue here. Don't.


I can say the same about you. You seem blind to what projectile means by redefining it. Projectile is an object, read object, that flies through the air. Can you not understand that Arc is not an object?

Oh? Now you want to talk about Evangelist. I thought it was resolved so I didn't say anything. Let's talk about Proximity Shield then.
Proximity Shield blocks all attacks/spells originating from outside the shield. I am not sure what more do you want from it.

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3: It has plenty meaning. Are you stupid? "Note that there is a 50% damage reduction on this gem, meaning all additional damage (including from Support Gems) will be halved." <------- From the Wiki.


It has no meaning, because it is unrelated to the current discussion. We are discussing if Arc is a projectile or not.

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Can you fucking please read what i write and stop accusing me of a lot of unrelated crap?


I ask that you really should try to understand where people are coming from. You are simply ignore what is being said.

YOU are adressing the term projectile and only that. I am not. Again; don't claim that i have an opinion which isn't true.

We are not discussing IF arc is a projectile or not. It isn't, i've stated that several times. How hard is it to grasp? I'm not saying Arc should be a projectile, i'm saying that it gets shafted compared to skills that count as a projectile when it comes to the fucking bubble. I beg of you to drill that through your dense head.

And your logic is dumb as balls. You claim that a projectile is an object. Skills such as incinerate, ball lightning and lightning trap beg to differ.

Stop derailing the thread. Read the god damm Posts and stop repeating yourself.
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YOU are adressing the term projectile and only that. I am not. Again; don't claim that i have an opinion which isn't true.


Then, there is no argument. If you agree that it isn't a Projectile, then, it should not be supported by support skills that support projectiles.

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It isn't, i've stated that several times.


No, what you keep trying to say is that it functions like a projectile, which I said it does not. Arc does not do things like what projectiles do.

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You claim that a projectile is an object. Skills such as incinerate, ball lightning and lightning trap beg to differ.


Not at all.
Ball Lightning is a floating ball of lightning, which some can refer to as a object, even if it is a stretch.
Lightning trap is the same case, it shoots balls of lightning travelling in different directions.
Incinerate, same deal, look at incinerate, you can see circular puffs of balls flying in one direction.

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i'm saying that it gets shafted compared to skills that count as a projectile when it comes to the fucking bubble. I beg of you to drill that through your dense head.


Has it not been explain to you that the so called bubble negates all attacks originated from outside the shield? Melee attacks get blocked by it, so why is it relevant?

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Stop derailing the thread. Read the god damm Posts and stop repeating yourself.


Then explain clearly what you are trying to say. You keep saying other people cannot read. And may I ask why is it that so many people fail at reading comprehension? Are you trying to say it certainly cannot be your fault for not correctly conveying your message across?
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Starxsword написал:
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YOU are adressing the term projectile and only that. I am not. Again; don't claim that i have an opinion which isn't true.


Then, there is no argument. If you agree that it isn't a Projectile, then, it should not be supported by support skills that support projectiles.

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It isn't, i've stated that several times.


No, what you keep trying to say is that it functions like a projectile, which I said it does not. Arc does not do things like what projectiles do.

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You claim that a projectile is an object. Skills such as incinerate, ball lightning and lightning trap beg to differ.


Not at all.
Ball Lightning is a floating ball of lightning, which some can refer to as a object, even if it is a stretch.
Lightning trap is the same case, it shoots balls of lightning travelling in different directions.
Incinerate, same deal, look at incinerate, you can see circular puffs of balls flying in one direction.

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i'm saying that it gets shafted compared to skills that count as a projectile when it comes to the fucking bubble. I beg of you to drill that through your dense head.


Has it not been explain to you that the so called bubble negates all attacks originated from outside the shield? Melee attacks get blocked by it, so why is it relevant?

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Stop derailing the thread. Read the god damm Posts and stop repeating yourself.


Then explain clearly what you are trying to say. You keep saying other people cannot read. And may I ask why is it that so many people fail at reading comprehension? Are you trying to say it certainly cannot be your fault for not correctly conveying your message across?


Read Harukas post at third page. Read my first Posts on page one. Done deal. It's imppssible to be more specific. IF you still can't "get it", just ignore the thread. I think that you are overanalyzing the original content. Stop trying to find problems and Opinions which doesn't exist.

Read harukas post and my first ones!

Off topic; So you are telling me that electric balls are objects, but electric beams are not? That is 100% a subjective opinion and is your personal preference. Don't imagine for a second that it's a majority opinion. Same with incinerate. Fire isn't an object god damm it.
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Why don't you read my post immediately after Haruka's? He didn't understand how Proximity Shield worked any more than you do. Why do you keep repeating the same misunderstanding? Why is Proximity Shield even mentioned, since it has nothing to do with whether something is a projectile or not? It just doesn't freaking matter what kind of a skill it is. Proximity Shield has absolutely nothing to do with that. It only has to do with where your character is standing when your skill hits the monster.
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mark1030 написал:
Why don't you read my post immediately after Haruka's? He didn't understand how Proximity Shield worked any more than you do. Why do you keep repeating the same misunderstanding? Why is Proximity Shield even mentioned, since it has nothing to do with whether something is a projectile or not? It just doesn't freaking matter what kind of a skill it is. Proximity Shield has absolutely nothing to do with that. It only has to do with where your character is standing when your skill hits the monster.

Ok. One more time: it's silly that while both projectile skills AND Arc gets shafted by proximity shield, the Projectile skills have the benefit of being able to be supported by more supportive gems than Arc. Period. Nothing more to it.

ANd i already told you before: some attacks DO damage even when the skill is triggered outside the bubble, such as poison arrow.
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Последняя редакция: Cergic#6625. Время: 7 июл. 2014 г., 14:20:28
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Cergic написал:

ANd i already told you before: some attacks DO damage even when the skill is triggered outside the bubble, such as poison arrow.


The poison explosion originates from withing the bubble when it hits the Evangelist. So therefore an Arc spell would have to originate from inside the Evangelist's bubble for it to cause any damage within the bubble, and this is EXACTLY how it works in the game.

All-in-all the bubble works as expected. It doesn't need changes, nor does the Arc spell. No matter how much the OP refuses to understand their workings.
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SteamPoE2080 написал:

All-in-all the bubble works as expected. It doesn't need changes, nor does the Arc spell. No matter how much the OP refuses to understand their workings.


I will quote the OP
"Just a quick thought;

Arc isn't a projectile, but it still gets clobbered by the proximity-shield which is used by the Evangelists.

It's a rather isolated issue since Arc is a nice skill othertwise, but since Arc isn't a projectile (which in turn means that you can't link it to several nice projectile support skills) it's silly that it gets a bit screwed over by the bubble as well."

I don't suggest any changes. I'm not saying that it got to be changed. I gave feedback. This is the feedback section.

Do you have trouble understanding the written language or is everyone on this forum determined to jump to conclusions no matter what?
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