Drops from high-end map bosses

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mazul написал:

The room is still in the same map. What is of interest is the distance on the map, not whether or not they are in the same room.

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Were are talking about maps that cost 1.5/2.5/3.5 ex, and Alchemy orb is nothing, literally nothing, the reward should be in a map, not currency.

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Boem написал:

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Were are talking about maps that cost 1.5/2.5/3.5 ex, and Alchemy orb is nothing, literally nothing, the reward should be in a map, not currency.

Irrelevant imo, the prices you mention are put forth by players. The maps have no value other then the one created by the bartering system. Tomorrow somebody could ask an allt shard to join his 78 map run.

I am talking about a reward to alleviate the solo players cost to roll maps. Not to make the acquisition of maps irrelevant.

The way you want it would mean that the super rich, decked out players who can take on dominus lvl 78 solo, would just get a free ride to lvl 100. Creating even more distance between rich decked out players and new ones.

My suggestion would be a tiny reward for completing the boss, not a free xp ride to 100.
That is all.

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tinko92 написал:

I'd like to discuss this issue.

By high-end map bosses, I'd consider the ones in 76-78 lvl maps.


First, I never skip any of those bosses except the ones from 78 lvl maps, 2 reasons:

1. Courtyard
- boss triggering is still bugged from the very day GGG implemented 78 lvl maps, and therefore, lasts too damn long in a 6 player party (explanation will come gradually)

2. Palace
- the boss fight also lasts too long with the chance of one-shot, especially because people that play that map are high level players that risk just too much


On point...

Let me ask you, how many maps do the bosses drop on average?
Mind the few rare items that drop, those aren't the issue, they can be increased with MF.

I've done over 100 bosses in the last week, 76/77 lvl maps, maybe 10 maps dropped from them.
And this is not only in the last week, it's like that since always.

Where is the reward in killing those hard bosses? (except Shipyard cakewalk)
Assuming that there were couple of tough mods on a map, I doubt any MF geared player (not 20/100) can do them, maybe there is a very small amount of ones that can, but I don't believe there are more than 10 players overall.

On top of that, if those few can do it, it's with a very high risk to get 15-20 rare items, therefore, not worthy if you're over 90th level.

The problem is here, that those 76+ lvl maps worth much, and I believe everyone who plays them would rather see a map drop from a boss than, lets say, 8 rare items.

There is literally no reward in doing those high level, hard bosses.

Maybe GGG should increase the map drop chance from those bosses?
Maybe xyz?

But something is sure, this is no good.
Already 90% of people skip even vanilla Shrine, we all know why... even that microscopic risk isn't worth it.

I'm sure GGG is aware of those boss skipping, just not sure why they haven't done anything so far.
At first it's maybe pointing out to be a really hardcore game, people run when they see a boss.
But the problem isn't that they're too hard (sometimes they really are), it's because even the 0.5% chance of failing is not worth taking the risk.

Now it's clear why the Courtyard boss fight lasts too long, because on average 2 people fight there, one is the map maker who didn't got refund and seeks it there, and second one is a challenge seeking player who knows/believes he can do it. And those 2 that fight, have to fight in a 6 player trigger environment.


What do you feel?

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Boem написал:

My point was that you are looking for a way to for example,

Beat dominus lvl 78, once achieved, keep beating dominus lvl 78. This would yield you maximum ILVL items and max xp gain.

It would also defy the entire map system and the intention of the devs with this system.

My idea would give a little currency reward, how little it may appear, it would be better then it currently is?

Make it a chaos for 73 lvl maps +, why not.

But don't expect a free map worth 2/3/4 exalts for every boss you kill.

This will simply not happen and will fuck up the market most likely.

My point with the alchemy orb was that you can utilize it to roll on your next map, for a higher IIQ% value, netting you a higher % of maps. Making the cost to roll maps lower, and also giving a choice to the player (do i run a yellow map, or do i create a new item?)

I would say that because you played high maps so much, your vision is also skewed and you are maybe unwillingly rooting for something that would yield you the most benefit, neglecting the other side of the coin.

I don't think the dev's will ever implement a 100% map drop on boss, a small currency reward would be the best one could hope for imo, reducing the cost to roll maps if you decided to kill the boss. Maybe an XP boost for killing the boss could also be achieved, since it would leave the economy intact.

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tinko92 написал:

Did around 20 bosses in 76/77 maps today, zero maps