Unique item suggestion with a huge number of mods (feedback from players as wel as GGG appreciated!)

Sandals of the supreme Ascetic:
(Unique boots, Req. level: 77)

+150 life for each life flask equipped
0.5% of life regenerated per second for each life flask equipped (EDIT)
+150 mana for each mana flask equipped
30% increased mana regeneration for each mana flask equipped
+100 life and mana for each hybrid flask equipped
5% of damage is taken from mana before life for each hybrid flask equipped (EDIT)

+20% movement speed for each quicksilver flask equipped

+1% max fire resist for each ruby flask equipped
35% less ignite duration on you
+1% max lightning resist for each topaz flask equipped
35% less shock duration on you
+1% max cold resist for each sapphire flask equipped
35% less chill duration on you
35% less freeze duration on you

25% chaos resistance for each amethyst flask equipped
10% reduced damage over time taken for each amethyst flask equipped (EDIT)

+1000 armour for each granite flask equipped
+1000 evasion for each jade flask equipped

30% chance to avoid curses and bleed for each quartz flask equipped

Cannot use flasks
This item cannot be equipped when you have unequipped flasks in your inventory (EDIT)

"You must not give into the temptation to drink, else you lose everlasting life" (EDIT)

I'd appreciate a lot of serious feedback on this item!

A good start is this challenge: which 5 flasks would you equip with your build? Try to abuse and break this item so I can adapt the stats.

Well the obvious abuse would be flask swapping. Because you don't need charges to make the item good you can keep XX amount of flask around to swap out for different situations.

Or you can swap out boots to be able to use the flask.

Interesting idea, probably the best I've seen in a long time, not sure how to balance it.

I was getting concerned with it until I read that you wouldn't be able to use the flasks, then I felt it was more in line with how the uniques should be. It's an interesting concept, but I feel not being able to use your health potions at all is so disadvantageous that it wouldn't be very popular beyond its initial release. I think it would be a pain to balance though, as some values would have to be adjusted, but I might be over thinking.

Interesting idea overall though, it's a neat concept.

Did you really needed to make 2 posts?

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+100 life and mana for each hybrid flask equipped

That's it? Only some life and mana for each hybrid flask? Mana and life flask got extra stuff besides the bonus to mana and life. You must really hate hybrids.

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+20% movement speed for each quicksilver flask equipped

To much IMO, I could stuck 100% increased movementspeed permanently.

The max resistance from elemental res. flasks are okay I think but having 3 of the same kind makes you immune to some status ailments.

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+1000 armour for each granite flask equipped
+1000 evasion for each jade flask equipped

Also to much IMO.


I would make some of the bonuses unstuckable, like armor, evasion, movement speed and the reduction of status ailment.

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SuperMotte написал:

Did you really needed to make 2 posts?

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+100 life and mana for each hybrid flask equipped

That's it? Only some life and mana for each hybrid flask? Mana and life flask got extra stuff besides the bonus to mana and life. You must really hate hybrids.

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+20% movement speed for each quicksilver flask equipped

To much IMO, I could stuck 100% increased movementspeed permanently.

The max resistance from elemental res. flasks are okay I think but having 3 of the same kind makes you immune to some status ailments.

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+1000 armour for each granite flask equipped
+1000 evasion for each jade flask equipped

Also to much IMO.


I would make some of the bonuses unstuckable, like armor, evasion, movement speed and the reduction of status ailment.

No he could have edited his original one. But NBD.

The hybrids will add a lot with the life\mana nodes on the tree, its a good compromise for builds that need both, but will be lacking the slots.

Plenty of ways to get movement speed past 100, this wouldnt be broken you are giving up all your flask slots and boots to go fast.

Overall I dont think the balance issue is with the rolls on it provides but rather gear swapping and other cheaky things.

Also OP, if you want, I made this for you (to edit your main post if you want)

+150 flat life per flask seems a bit to much, heck even 100 is borderline overpowered.

armor and eva ones are borderline.

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+150 flat life per flask seems a bit to much, heck even 100 is borderline overpowered.

armor and eva ones are borderline.

Don't forget the drawback: you cannot use flasks anymore. You will need that life and those defenses! You will also have to gear against bleed, reflect, curses, freeze, etc. if you don't want to equip certain flasks.

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Also OP, if you want, I made this for you (to edit your main post if you want)

That is great! I really appreciate it! But as the design is still prone to many changes, I will wait with putting it with the first post. I will already add your flavour text: it's epic!

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That's it? Only some life and mana for each hybrid flask? Mana and life flask got extra stuff besides the bonus to mana and life. You must really hate hybrids.

Some people might have mana problems but not big enough to sacrifice a precious flask slot for it. The hybrid is a good compromise then, granting you a sweet additional 100 life.
Still, I can agree to add something that is not necessarily good, but allows for certain builds, like:
"5% of damage is taken from mana before life for each hybrid flask equipped."
That should make hybrid flasks more interesting!

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To much IMO, I could stuck 100% increased movementspeed permanently.

The max resistance from elemental res. flasks are okay I think but having 3 of the same kind makes you immune to some status ailments.

1 quicksilver can give you +70% MS, some boots give +30% MS. So if 100% MS is too much, it is already a problem now.

3 elemental flasks don't give you immunity because it's "less".
Even if it would be the case, there are also items that give you exactly the same immunities.

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Interesting idea overall though, it's a neat concept.

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Interesting idea, probably the best I've seen in a long time, not sure how to balance it.

Thanks guys!

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Well the obvious abuse would be flask swapping. Because you don't need charges to make the item good you can keep XX amount of flask around to swap out for different situations.

Or you can swap out boots to be able to use the flask.

Very good point!

What if I add this (as if there is already not enough text on the item ;-p):

- Can only unequip this item when no flasks are equipped
- Unequipping a flask destroys the flask
- Can only equip q20 flasks

EDIT: or more elegant:

This item cannot be equipped when you have unequipped flasks in your inventory

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Don't forget the drawback: you cannot use flasks anymore. You will need that life and those defenses! You will also have to gear against bleed, reflect, curses, freeze, etc. if you don't want to equip certain flasks.

Well bleeds shouldn't hurt that much once you have super high health, which if you went all life flask you would for sure. The other concern someone mentioned to me about the life flask is getting upwards of 15% regen, which is a crazy amount. Hell pair these boots, right combination of flask and you have an insane amount of defenses without worrying about flask charges.

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That is great! I really appreciate it! But as the design is still prone to many changes, I will wait with putting it with the first post. I will already add your flavour text: it's epic!

No problem, sometimes its more appealing to have it in the format of the item, rather then just a bunch of text. I randomly picked a base for you (armor\es) of course that part probably doesn't matter as much as stats it provides. Glad you like the flavor text, I didn't think too hard on it so I won't be upset when (if) someone comes up with a better one.

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Very good point!

What if I add this (as if there is already not enough text on the item ;-p):

- Can only unequip this item when no flasks are equipped
- Unequipping a flask destroys the flask
- Can only equip q20 flasks

EDIT: or more elegant:

This item cannot be equipped when you have unequipped flasks in your inventory

So I guess you can't ever loot any flask while playing this character? Its interesting way to try and control it and solve the issue of swapping stuff. I can only imagine how much of a nightmare that would be to program.

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Soepkieken написал:

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SuperMotte написал:

To much IMO, I could stuck 100% increased movementspeed permanently.

The max resistance from elemental res. flasks are okay I think but having 3 of the same kind makes you immune to some status ailments.

1 quicksilver can give you +70% MS, some boots give +30% MS. So if 100% MS is too much, it is already a problem now.

You do understand what "permanently" means, right? But well let's keep the quicksilver flasks than. They aren't the main problem with the bonuses.

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Soepkieken написал:

3 elemental flasks don't give you immunity because it's "less".
Even if it would be the case, there are also items that give you exactly the same immunities.

Most stuff giving you multiple less or more of something stuck additivly. Flameblast for instance, it gives you 110% more damage for every stack, but multiple stack get added so it wasn't really clear that you meant them to apply each individually. But again that's a minor problem and not that overpowered.

But getting 5000 base armour or 5000 base evasion is. They completly count as base so all bonuses from passives, some global bonuses from uniques or the ring affixes (which are global too) would apply to that to. Evasion as a attribute even gets you more. So it would be easy to stack 15.000 or 20.000 of it. That's why I said to make the effects unstackable or alternativly reduce there effectiveness when stacked.

The weakness of hybrid flasks came from the point that life flask gets extra life regen and mana flasks gets extra mana regen. So hybrid should get something in between, 0,5% life regen and 15% mana regen maybe. But this:

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Still, I can agree to add something that is not necessarily good, but allows for certain builds, like:
"5% of damage is taken from mana before life for each hybrid flask equipped."
That should make hybrid flasks more interesting!

Let's 5 granite flask look well balanced. 25% of damage taken from mana before life? Seriously? Can I combine that with Cloak of Defiance? The legacy version of course. Sorry but that's way too much.


So overall I would say:
life flasks are okay,
mana flasks are okay,
hybrid flasks when a small extra is added as with the life and mana flasks BUT NOT the 5% of damage from mana otherwise they seem to weak for me,
the elemental flasks are all okay,
the amethyst flask since you changed it from 35% to 25% (didn't wanted to mention that earlier) are okay,
10% reduced damage over time taken for each amethyst flask equipped should be changed to
10% reduced damage over time taken from chaos damage for each amethyst flask equipped. Burn is damage over time too and there are ruby flasks for,
granite and jade flask are way to strong when stackable. Possible modifier could be: granite and jade mods are limited to one each.
Oh by the way you missed diamond flask, maybe 25% increased crit chance or 15% crit multiplier?

About gear swapping (just an idea, the first one that came to my mind):
when equipping flasks lose all their charges
flasks cannot gain charges