Unique item suggestion with a huge number of mods (feedback from players as wel as GGG appreciated!)

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goetzjam написал:

Your arguments are as weak as your highest level character.

This shows me that it is impossible to speak with you normally. The arrogance is to high with this individual.

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"you can't get that much armor or evasion anywhere else" which isn't true a shield can EASILY get you much more then these boots

I have the feeling that this is useless but: show me that shield giving you FIVE THOUSAND evasion or armour rating. NO TWO THOUSAND IS A LOT LESS THAN FIVE THOUSAND. In case you haven't noticed.

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@panini where did I mention the fact they stacked any other way then you are suggesting?

You never did, right, but your calculations showed this fact.

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SuperMotte написал:

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goetzjam написал:

Your arguments are as weak as your highest level character.

This shows me that it is impossible to speak with you normally. The arrogance is to high with this individual.

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"you can't get that much armor or evasion anywhere else" which isn't true a shield can EASILY get you much more then these boots

I have the feeling that this is useless but: show me that shield giving you FIVE THOUSAND evasion or armour rating. NO TWO THOUSAND IS A LOT LESS THAN FIVE THOUSAND. In case you haven't noticed.

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@panini where did I mention the fact they stacked any other way then you are suggesting?

You never did, right, but your calculations showed this fact.

I'm arrogant, lol, I mean I guess its easy to be when you are comparing someone whos played the game probably 25x or more then someone else.


Its a total of 5k or more. Take the 2.5k armor shield and get 100% increased defenses from shields, thats a 5k armor shield before you add in bonuses you also get from armor nodes on the tree. Its not what that 1 item alone has in raw stats, its what it can provide total for you.

What about the flask situation, a good rolled flask can provide 6k evasion or 6k armor, how is that not broken by your logic?

My calculations are not based on multiplicative armor, simply increased armor, which is different in a game like PoE.

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goetzjam написал:

Its a total of 5k or more. Take the 2.5k armor shield and get 100% increased defenses from shields, thats a 5k armor shield before you add in bonuses you also get from armor nodes on the tree.

THIS... this shows that you have still not understand the difference between increased and more. Spend 25x as much as time as I did and still haven't figured it out.

Before you say anything again read this [Removed by Support]!

And yes, those shield passives are increases that get added to the overall armor increase.

And since when have we found another shield this time 2500 armour? Weren't we at 2000 evasion? This would by the way be equivalent to 25% more.

And about your 6k rare perfect rolled granite flasks: still not permanent even when spammed and this will take your concentration away from the actual fight. [Removed by Support]

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SuperMotte написал:

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goetzjam написал:

Its a total of 5k or more. Take the 2.5k armor shield and get 100% increased defenses from shields, thats a 5k armor shield before you add in bonuses you also get from armor nodes on the tree.

THIS... this shows that you have still not understand the difference between increased and more. Spend 25x as much as time as I did and still haven't figured it out.

Before you say anything again read this [Removed by Support]!

And yes, those shield passives are increases that get added to the overall armor increase.

And since when have we found another shield this time 2500 armour? Weren't we at 2000 evasion? This would by the way be equivalent to 25% more.

And about your 6k rare perfect rolled granite flasks: still not permanent even when spammed and this will take your concentration away from the actual fight. [Removed by Support]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/779871

Simply search poe.trade, idk if you know what that site does so I'll explain real quick. It allows for you to search for items with specific stats.

What the hell are you talking about me not knowing the difference between more and increased? [Removed by Support] please focus on the discussion at hand rather then trying to call me out, if you want feel free to send me whatever you think you might have in a PM, rather then trying to derail the thread.

2.5k armor or 2k evasion base is still a fuckton when it comes to your overall defenses you can get from pieces, paired with the defense nodes from shield in the tree AND your ability to get armor or evasion % you can get quite a lot of defenses from other slots other then these "OP boots"

It isn't that rare to roll a perfect or almost perfect flask. If granite and 20 quality it has 2 uses and last 4.8 seconds, which is a fuck ton, thats a total of 48 seconds of uptime (with 5 flask) assuming you gain no charges in between (which you do) You don't need a script to keep a high uptime on flask usage, especially if we are talking about the hypothetical nature paired with the fact that 1 single flask has the ability to give you more armor or evasion then these boots ever can and these boots sacrifice stats on itself AND ALL OF YOUR FLASK SLOTS for up to 5k armor or evasion.

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[Removed by Support]. I find it pretty clearly that you still haven't understand the difference. I quoted the point that showed it.

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SuperMotte написал:

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[Removed by Support]. I find it pretty clearly that you still haven't understand the difference. I quoted the point that showed it.

Ok, now that support has edited post to make it more civil, do you care to address any other one of the points I addressed or are you going to try and nitpick about this increased\more armor argument?

The whole point is you can get more armor or evasion from many slots then you can from these boots that convert flask slots into bonuses. Hell I made the point you can get more from a single flask, then the boots and all flask slots being the same combined, what is the counter argument to that?

There are 2500 armor chest out there and 2700 evasion chest, unlike shields they don't have a separate bonus they can get on the tree in addition to the % increased armor\evasion nodes.

OP here again,

And it would be really great if the discussion that is going on can be closed so we can go back to analyzing other stats.

For me too it is clear that the armour and evasion boosts are not OP:

=> A granite flask of iron skin gives you +3000 armour + 100% increased armour,
If you have 3 of those, you can pretty much run them permanently.

On top of that there are 2 other flasks to use, and a slot for a nice pair of boots.

I would consider 5 granite flasks in this boots for a simple +5000 armour a very bad trade-off. How are you going to tackle bleed anyway? What about your movement speed? Against heavy elemental damage you're toasted, etc.

It is obvious the boots are niche and an optimal use of them will be to mix different flasks to complement your build. Everything on 1 stat seems like a noob trap.

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Soepkieken написал:

Sandals of the supreme Ascetic:
+1% max fire resist for each ruby flask equipped

And this is why the boots would never make to the servers. I heard Rory (Lead Passive & Skill designer) that they have a hard time making RF not the most OP spell in the game.

All RF builds will probably just run 5 ruby flasks, Rise of the Phoenix. +1 to max fire res node in the Marauder tree and Purity of Fire to get 92%/93%/94% Fire resist.

Not being able to to use the flasks is a nice counter to it. But I don't know. I'm not thinking this through myself.

Not sure if anybody else came up with this. Too lazy to read the whole thread.

Overall, very interesting and creative design OP. 7,8/10 if not 8/10 from me! :)

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Unitrix написал:

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Soepkieken написал:

Sandals of the supreme Ascetic:
+1% max fire resist for each ruby flask equipped

And this is why the boots would never make to the servers. I heard Rory (Lead Passive & Skill designer) that they have a hard time making RF not the most OP spell in the game.

All RF builds will probably just run 5 ruby flasks, Rise of the Phoenix. +1 to max fire res node in the Marauder tree and Purity of Fire to get 92%/93%/94% Fire resist.

Not being able to to use the flasks is a nice counter to it. But I don't know. I'm not thinking this through myself.

Not sure if anybody else came up with this. Too lazy to read the whole thread.

Overall, very interesting and creative design OP. 7,8/10 if not 8/10 from me! :)

RF as a skill should be reworked, replacing flat self burning with increasing life/ES degeneration would be a better choice since it cant be negated with stacked resistances and is actualy usable in the early-mid game.
say:
Enemies take 50% of your maximum Life per second as Fire Damage
Enemies take 50% of your maximum Energy Shield per second as Fire Damage
degenerate 0.6% * lv of your maximum Life per second (12% at lv 20)
degenerate 0.5% * lv of your maximum Energy Shield per second ( 10% at lv 20)
x% more Spell Damage

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All RF builds will probably just run 5 ruby flasks, Rise of the Phoenix. +1 to max fire res node in the Marauder tree and Purity of Fire to get 92%/93%/94% Fire resist.

I doubt that.

If you just run 5 ruby flasks without these boots, you can have +10% max fire resist almost permanently AND still have some sweet stats from a nice pair of boots.

I highly doubt people will sacrifice flask flexibility, situational +10% max fire resist and boots stats for just +5% max fire resistance...