Feedback and Suggestions (Path of Exile 1) - We need an in-game trading system. - Форум

" wrathmar написал: " ScrotieMcB написал: ]Really, though, that's what poe.trade is. Yeah, I get that poe.trade is unofficial, but it's functional and the developers don't have to pay any costs towards its upkeep (other than ensuring poe.trade has access to the appropriate information). The latter is enough on its own to strongly disincentivize GGG from pouring resources into a new trade system, if the only fundamental difference is that their version is official and in-game. I believe rather strongly that GGG wouldn't consider it a worthwhile investment unless it adds a feature which couldn't be made available through poe.trade -- most likely asynchronous trading. I think you are overestimating the amount of work and support required for an in-game item index with the ability to whisper. I also think you are underestimating the amount of lost/lapsed customers who leave because of no in-game trading. Not everyone knows about poe.trade. So from the perspective of many players the only "trading" available is the trade chat spam. If GGG is unwilling/unable to pick up the slack, and finish coding core features into their game, then maybe they should hire the creators of poe.trade to add an in-game interface for them... I think you are underestimating the amount of players that will leave the game if an auction house 2.0 is implemented in Path of Exile	Сообщение diablofdb#3816 5 янв. 2016 г., 10:27:02 Цитировать это сообщение
" diablofdb написал: I think you are underestimating the amount of players that will leave the game if an auction house 2.0 is implemented in Path of Exile In what specific ways would an in-game auction house differ from the 3rd party Auction House? Why would an in-game official auction house cause players to leave, when the 3rd party Auction House did not? IGN: Wrathmar * Paulie * Client	Сообщение wrathmar#4456 5 янв. 2016 г., 10:58:50 Цитировать это сообщение
" wrathmar написал: " diablofdb написал: I think you are underestimating the amount of players that will leave the game if an auction house 2.0 is implemented in Path of Exile In what specific ways would an in-game auction house differ from the 3rd party Auction House? Why would an in-game official auction house cause players to leave, when the 3rd party Auction House did not? Because your calling it something which it is not, we've been over this at least 1/2 a dozen times. Specifically refer to multiple occasions in which GGG said they wouldn't add an AH, if your referring to a way to list items and search for them, without automation then they might and probably should do that. But you keep calling something what it isn't, specifically using a term in which GGG won't do for no other reason then to be ignorant. I can call a tiger a dog, its still doesn't make it a dog. If you use proper terms and terminology it would be much easier to get your point across but you refuse to because of your bullshit agenda, stop already. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285 FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.	Сообщение goetzjam#3084 5 янв. 2016 г., 11:30:56 Цитировать это сообщение
" goetzjam написал: But you keep calling something what it isn't, specifically using a term in which GGG won't do for no other reason then to be ignorant. I can call a tiger a dog, its still doesn't make it a dog. If you use proper terms and terminology it would be much easier to get your point across but you refuse to because of your bullshit agenda, stop already. I can call a tiger a mammal and it is a mammal. poe.trade is a functional auction house. An auction house does not require 100% automation. Do any other adults in the room care what Mr. Goat has to say? I'm starting to get annoyed with someone calling me ignorant. IGN: Wrathmar * Paulie * Client	Сообщение wrathmar#4456 5 янв. 2016 г., 11:39:50 Цитировать это сообщение
I think it's best not to use the term "auction house" at all. The one in D3 was mostly a misnomer - more buyout house than auction house. Because of this many PoE players associate "auction house" with decidedly non-auction behavior. To alleviate confusion, better to just avoid the term altogether. When Stephen Colbert was killed by HYDRA's Project Insight in 2014, the comedy world lost a hero. Since his life model decoy isn't up to the task, please do not mistake my performance as political discussion. I'm just doing what Steve would have wanted.	Сообщение ScrotieMcB#2697 5 янв. 2016 г., 11:52:33 Цитировать это сообщение
" ScrotieMcB написал: I think it's best not to use the term "auction house" at all. The one in D3 was mostly a misnomer - more buyout house than auction house. Because of this many PoE players associate "auction house" with decidedly non-auction behavior. To alleviate confusion, better to just avoid the term altogether. I would argue that WoW is the game that made the term Auction House ubiquitous for any in-game trading interfaces. the reason Diablo3 uses an AH is because WoW used an AH. An Auction House does not need to be fully automated to function as one. From the buyers standpoint poe.trade is mostly automated. Once you find you desired item. Click the wisper icon ctrl-c open game chat window ctrl-v accept party request visit party member hideout accept trade Done. When I played, the WoW Auction House actually had a delay on delivery, so on a pure time investment on the buyers side, some trades from poe.trade are actually faster than Auction House trades. IGN: Wrathmar * Paulie * Client	Сообщение wrathmar#4456 5 янв. 2016 г., 12:38:43 Цитировать это сообщение
I don't think you understand what the word automated means. If you are saying easy or repetitive sure it fits, but that isn't the definition of automation. I can't call an AH a marketplace so why are you calling a marketplace an AH? In both an AH and a marketplace people purchase goods or services with currency\trades, the difference of course is how the transactions are handled, that is what you don't understand when you keep repeating stuff that isn't actually fact. In terms of discussing AH and games, yes wow did it first or at least is the largest game probably that has one currently. Its my understanding that AH in that game is both an AH and a buyout house, similar to what D3's was, which is no surprise considering the same company makes both games. The issue here is you keep using a term because you feel like its the same thing, they both are focused at achieving the same ultimate goal, but the implementation is so much different in terms of experience that saying we have an AH or that poe.trade is basically an AH when it IS NOT, is like pushing some side agenda where you are trying to persuade people there isn't a difference, WHEN THERE VERY MUCH IS. The buyer actually has to find the item they want, unless you are using one of the newly popular softwares that alert you with new listing on specific items, you are MANUALLY searching and MANUALLY messaging players to barter\trade. Then you are MANUALLY going to their hideout and MANUALLY putting the currency into the window and MANUALLY checking the item before hitting accept. Lets see how many times manually is mentioned there and how many times automation is...... Thats ok keep calling a tiger a dog, still doesn't fucking make it a dog. https://youtu.be/T9kygXtkh10?t=285 FeelsBadMan Remove MF from POE, make juiced map the new MF.	Сообщение goetzjam#3084 5 янв. 2016 г., 13:52:12 Цитировать это сообщение
" ScrotieMcB написал: " GeorgAnatoly написал: " suszterpatt написал: Async/automated trade is the smaller issue. The main problem is that there's no in-game way of determining who's selling what. (And no, Trade chat doesn't count.) That's not an environment that fosters trading. Just giving people a way to advertise what they have for sale, and search for items that other people have for sale, would be a gigantic step ahead. That's a good point. And a good, realistic place to start. +1 Really, though, that's what poe.trade is. Yeah, I get that poe.trade is unofficial, but it's functional and the developers don't have to pay any costs towards its upkeep (other than ensuring poe.trade has access to the appropriate information). The latter is enough on its own to strongly disincentivize GGG from pouring resources into a new trade system, if the only fundamental difference is that their version is official and in-game. I believe rather strongly that GGG wouldn't consider it a worthwhile investment unless it adds a feature which couldn't be made available through poe.trade -- most likely asynchronous trading. How about this for a feature that poe.trade can't offer: it's built into the game. Meaning it's instantly visible and easily accessible to everyone with 0 extra effort. Последняя редакция: suszterpatt#5078. Время: 5 янв. 2016 г., 14:04:47	Сообщение suszterpatt#5078 5 янв. 2016 г., 14:04:12 Цитировать это сообщение
goetzjam snip! " goetzjam написал: I don't think you understand what the word automated means. If you are saying easy or repetitive sure it fits, but that isn't the definition of automation. I can't call an AH a marketplace so why are you calling a marketplace an AH? In both an AH and a marketplace people purchase goods or services with currency\trades, the difference of course is how the transactions are handled, that is what you don't understand when you keep repeating stuff that isn't actually fact. In terms of discussing AH and games, yes wow did it first or at least is the largest game probably that has one currently. Its my understanding that AH in that game is both an AH and a buyout house, similar to what D3's was, which is no surprise considering the same company makes both games. The issue here is you keep using a term because you feel like its the same thing, they both are focused at achieving the same ultimate goal, but the implementation is so much different in terms of experience that saying we have an AH or that poe.trade is basically an AH when it IS NOT, is like pushing some side agenda where you are trying to persuade people there isn't a difference, WHEN THERE VERY MUCH IS. The buyer actually has to find the item they want, unless you are using one of the newly popular softwares that alert you with new listing on specific items, you are MANUALLY searching and MANUALLY messaging players to barter\trade. Then you are MANUALLY going to their hideout and MANUALLY putting the currency into the window and MANUALLY checking the item before hitting accept. Lets see how many times manually is mentioned there and how many times automation is...... Thats ok keep calling a tiger a dog, still doesn't fucking make it a dog. You're missing the point goetz. Call it anything you want it still functionally acts as the game's AH. It does not have to meet specific feature standards to meet the criteria needed to be the game's AH. Also I think it would be interesting if they did something simple like seeing what would happen or what would change if PoE some how advertised poe.trade in game so everyone would be aware of it.	Сообщение GeorgAnatoly#4189 5 янв. 2016 г., 14:30:50 Цитировать это сообщение
" goetzjam написал: I can't call an AH a marketplace so why are you calling a marketplace an AH? In both an AH and a marketplace people purchase goods or services with currency\trades, the difference of course is how the transactions are handled, that is what you don't understand when you keep repeating stuff that isn't actually fact. Players who are requesting an Action House for POE are using the word because of WoW, not because they spend their Sundays down at the local auction haul biding of livestock and heirlooms. In the real world a human has to Manually drive down to the Auction House, Manually bid on the item for sale, Manually pay the seller or the house, Manually place the item in their vehicle, So your argument that poe.trade =/= Auction House because it requires manual interaction fails. poe.trade has a check box for Buyout-Only, so their are items listed without a buyout, and a bidding process is expected. (side note 99% of sales in the WoW AH were BO only) So your argument that poe.trade =/= Auction House because it does not have bidding fails. Your argument that poe.trade =/= Auction House because the website does not track/facilitate the bid amount is valid. poe.trade fills the exact same niche in POE that the AH in WoW and D3 filled. It allows players to easily buy and sell items. Linguistic debates of the phrase Auction House aside... poe.trade has more in common with the WoW AH than not. Your irrational opposition to labeling poe.trade an Auction House is based in fear more than maintaining the purity of the phrase Auction House You are fearful that adding an Auction House like poe.trade is going to 1. Damage the game (too late), or 2. Making selling easier is going to affect your ability to benefit from the current 3rd party Auction House (greedy). " goetzjam написал: Thats ok keep calling a tiger a dog, still doesn't fucking make it a dog. I will keep calling a tiger a mammal because it is one. Just like poe.trade is an auction house because it has more in common with the WoW AH than different. IGN: Wrathmar * Paulie * Client	Сообщение wrathmar#4456 5 янв. 2016 г., 14:57:35 Цитировать это сообщение