cast on crit - i think that this is important for many of us

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rel4us написал:

1. many don't want to play with them
2. the die alot (reflect, not many defences/life)

The whole reason people are playing CoC discharge like crazy these days is because it clears better than mirrored reavers, and its survivability is just as good for much less. There are many L95+ CoC dischargers in the talisman SC ladder. The reason is people (Mathil & everyone who follows him) finally realized that hybrid/CI is the way to go instead of trying to survive with 4k life.

Video demonstration from 2.0 before CoC discharge was buffed with blade vortex.

In general your posts are incredibly uninformed. You should do some research before posting next time.

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suszterpatt написал:

Perhaps another way to balance things out would be to have the final damage modifier of the attack also apply to the spells. Wanna use Spectral Throw and GMP to trigger CoC? Great, your spells now do less than 60% damage.

Of course, the way to go is to penalize spells in some way, very few CoC builds do good damage with attacks too. It might be done this way if the engine allows.

Also, if they do the damage penalty they could also revert proc chance to 100% to help slow, quirky CoC builds, cooldown is the main limiting factor for fast ones anyway.

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raics написал:

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suszterpatt написал:

Perhaps another way to balance things out would be to have the final damage modifier of the attack also apply to the spells. Wanna use Spectral Throw and GMP to trigger CoC? Great, your spells now do less than 60% damage.

Of course, the way to go is to penalize spells in some way, very few CoC builds do good damage with attacks too. It might be done this way if the engine allows.

Also, if they do the damage penalty they could also revert proc chance to 100% to help slow, quirky CoC builds, cooldown is the main limiting factor for fast ones anyway.

Less damage penalties for the CoC gem don't make sense because the spells they used don't have fixed damage scaling mechanics. I would just remove CoC and start releasing some cool spells instead.

OTOH if it's only CoC discharge that GGG think is problematic they should change volls protector to have 10-20% chance to grant a charge on crit or simply change it to PCoC. If we kill 1000 CoC dischargers and kill 5 innocent self cast dischargers in the process, it's worth it IMO.

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MatrixFactor написал:

Less damage penalties for the CoC gem don't make sense because the spells they used don't have fixed damage scaling mechanics. I would just remove CoC and start releasing some cool spells instead.

OTOH if it's only CoC discharge that GGG think is problematic they should change volls protector to have 10-20% chance to grant a charge on crit or simply change it to PCoC. If we kill 1000 CoC dischargers and kill 5 innocent self cast dischargers in the process, it's worth it IMO.

Less damage to triggered spells won't work only if the spell isn't dealing any damage, it's a good way to balance it.

And don't touch my Voll's protector, now that frenzy changes screwed up Blood dance that's my favorite unique design. So bad, and yet so good.

Besides, a properly done cooldown on discharge would kill CoC disharge with zero casualties to selfcast discharge and those amusing CoC Cold Snap builds, that would be much easier.

Discharge is clearly not the only way to abuse CoC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CJ62oMHPUE

This is just one example, but you can find many more.

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suszterpatt написал:

Discharge is clearly not the only way to abuse CoC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CJ62oMHPUE

This is just one example, but you can find many more.

That actually seemed to be clearing a lot slower as what selfcast bladefall can do.

i think easiest way to adjust this is actually remove daggers from Vagan aka make CoC even more expensive (force people to sacrifice stats for accuracy), STD mirrored gear?? who cares?

And/or:

ST+CoC= you can only proc projectile spells

Cyclone+Coc=you can only proc area spells

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Deadpeng написал:

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Deadpeng написал:

Those 50K and 100K Reave or whatever build costs about 25 to 100 exalts. With the same investment COC will simply rip the whole map apart. What spoils the game is that Voll devotion makes the most offensive COC build become the most defensive builds as well which is a privilege not many builds in this game enjoy.

Fakener's low budget COC is kind of the best example to show how COC needs to be at least weaker.

I really think you are merely unhappy that you did not get to play COC.

no it's not, see flubby low life reaver, his DPS with AOE gem is insane,

EK with life leech + BM gems get to 150K tooltip with chain,

so, so not true

Link me the build!

look for shater EK build in google, or flubby reaver