Melee Balance. With 600 upvotes, I think this deserves a little attention from GGG

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Tin_Foil_Hat написал:

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IlyaK1986 написал:

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Aim_Deep написал:

The Main problem with melee is just like channel casters (e.g. lame surge or freeze pulse) is you cant DPS on the move but its even worse because its at close range. The most successful builds do DPS on the move.

Whether traps you lay out and move from danger.
Range you shoot and move (kite).
Cast/shoot and move and DOT effects take place while moving like Essence drain orPA.
Summoners of all types who move while minions/totems do work.
etc.

The other 10% of builds do enormous DPS and instant leech through all damage incoming. CoC/mjolnir Discharges, VMS, mirror weapon melee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWARpUTydyQ

Most Melee (and channel casters) do not do enough DPS to do the later.

The problem I have with just buffing melee is its fine relative to content. As video shows uber is possible with good gear. It's not fine relative to spells/range. Thats a different issue.

Except you're stationary when laying traps. You're stationary when you're shooting.

You can also DPS on the move with Cyclone. You can DPS on the move with earthquake. You can kite with reave. Sounds like you're just using bad skills. After all, there's a reason archers don't use burning arrow.

I like how all of your builds are ranged but here you are in any melee thread trying to talk like you know anything about it.

You seem to be forgetting that range builds have MORE TIME to react because theyre at a distance and that theyre already ignoring the largest hits (large physical melee hits) because theyre not being wailed on at melee range.

Your entire argument is flawed by even the most base mechanics.

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Tin_Foil_Hat написал:

Youre only proving my point everytime you said shit like "Blade Vortex" "Cast on Crit".

You dont know what youre talking about and i find it quite hilarious how you think proccing spells = melee.

Youre literally comparing a spell that resets crit everytime it rotates, and does quite literally hundreds of thousands of DPS with relatively no investment to a melee build which wont even break 100k DPS without a good weapon.

Again, youre completely ignoring issues while using strawmans like "Muh telegraphed attacks" which arent even what melee hard to play but i dont expect someone who copy pastes builds to understand that.

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Tin_Foil_Hat написал:

Ayyy you dont even know what im talking about ayyy.

Go figure, the guy playing copy pasta builds doesnt understand that every rotation Blade Vortex rerolls if it crits or not.

Also, why are you linking something you dont understand ? Did you even look at what it takes to achieve or are you just going to shit post by linking a googled build guide that says it has alot of dps ?

Theres a reason the build has fucking 3 pages and isnt viewed.

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IlyaK1986 написал:

Suck it up, and play Earthquake (a better melee build).

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IlyaK1986 написал:

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Tin_Foil_Hat написал:

Ayyy you dont even know what im talking about ayyy.

Go figure, the guy playing copy pasta builds doesnt understand that every rotation Blade Vortex rerolls if it crits or not.

Also, why are you linking something you dont understand ? Did you even look at what it takes to achieve or are you just going to shit post by linking a googled build guide that says it has alot of dps ?

Theres a reason the build has fucking 3 pages and isnt viewed.

I understand that blade vortex rotates around you for a duration. You said that a melee build can't get a lot of DPS. I linked to a random-ass build that got a lot of DPS. Also, guides are a bit of a popularity contest that also depend on lots of videos and god knows what other bells and whistles. EG I dropped twin core with my pathfinder build, and it has barely any discussion.

And yes, I saw what it took to achieve. A 6L katana, vessel of vinktar, and poison, with assassin ascendancy, and possibly abyssus. Yeah, it's squishy as all hell most likely, but so what? It's a proof of concept that states that no, melee doesn't have tooltip scaling problems, and you can get obscene damage if you felt like it.

If you want to play a more tanky, defensive melee build, then how about not bitching when you don't have the damage and clear speed of a ranged crit build? Ranged builds would like to have 7k+ life with tons of armor and possibly max block as well. Only way I see that happening is with a rearguard pathfinder, either with a CoC ranged build, or abusing frost wall.

Either way, complete gimmick.

And I get what you melee players are talking about. That "clicking on the monster is clunky and melee splash doesn't give me GMP lightning arrow AoE!"

Suck it up, and play a better melee build.

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sidtherat написал:

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IlyaK1986 написал:

Suck it up, and play Earthquake (a better RANGED build).

FTFY