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Deadpeng написал:
Finally managed to defeat the Shaper after 4 attempts. My verdict:
NO. It is not a fair fight. There are at least two instances that result in certain death.
1) If your build is not strong enough to defeat each phase under 2 minutes. There is likely an occasion whereby he vanishes into his Armageddon form to dissipate purple blasts across the area and you must cower under his daughter's protection. Then two offscreen void balls wiggle their way towards you and cover up the entire dome Zana has to offer.
2) While Zana calls for help to help seal the Breach, Shaper's wannabe might fire at you to force a manual move from you to dodge. This short action time is already enough for Zana to die and you lose all protection from her for later on.
3) His weakest move is actually his melee slash which we can force him to use by hugging him at melee distance. This might not end well as he still can choose to use his energy canon that kills you in an instance.
Overall, this boss, unlike Uber Atziri, deserves a modification and reduced timing for at least three or more of his skills to be considered hardcore worthy.
When you have done it a few times you just sidestep the beams manually, take preemptive actions to catch the balls in locations they are harmless etc. But first times is a bitch, and it is at the same time a dps check. If I would criticize the fight on anything, then it is the inzane life pool Shaper has that differs from other boss fights in the game, it can be quiet a shock for players that are not prepared dps-vise to realize they are way over their heads and shit starts turning ugly - loosing the set you grinded/paid for so hardly.
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СообщениеDkodr#608813 мар. 2017 г., 20:26:31
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Deadpeng написал:
Finally managed to defeat the Shaper after 4 attempts. My verdict:
NO. It is not a fair fight. There are at least two instances that result in certain death.
1) If your build is not strong enough to defeat each phase under 2 minutes. There is likely an occasion whereby he vanishes into his Armageddon form to dissipate purple blasts across the area and you must cower under his daughter's protection. Then two offscreen void balls wiggle their way towards you and cover up the entire dome Zana has to offer.
2) While Zana calls for help to help seal the Breach, Shaper's wannabe might fire at you to force a manual move from you to dodge. This short action time is already enough for Zana to die and you lose all protection from her for later on.
3) His weakest move is actually his melee slash which we can force him to use by hugging him at melee distance. This might not end well as he still can choose to use his energy canon that kills you in an instance.
Overall, this boss, unlike Uber Atziri, deserves a modification and reduced timing for at least three or more of his skills to be considered hardcore worthy.
1:Not entirely true,when he is about to go "armageddon" you have more than enough time to find and pop any balls that wander around.
2:Even though sometimes that can happen,its extremely unlikely,and even if it happen,you can still kill those,in like 40 runs i never encountered a moment where his double prevents you from killing the adds.There is a safe place somewhere.
3:Sometimes that happens sadly,but with reaction you will escape most of the time.
My first attempt was a mess as well,but after a while its all you 90% of the time.The best advice i can give you is to not panic and never ignore mechanics. And the balls,their placement is KEY,no matter WTF is also happening meanwhile.
That said,yesterday i got rekt by an invisible purple ball :/
As for Atziri,i find her WAY more RNG. Oh look,a free space,ill dodge the lightning strike,and in the last moment one spawns at the "free" spot and goes off instantly. That triggers me beyond measure. As fights go,Shaper is probably the best boss i've seen in any ARPG.
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СообщениеKasapnica#241413 мар. 2017 г., 21:46:36
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Not really. You need big DPS or whole ground will be covered with permanent vortex's
So even if you're and elite mechanical player you will succumb
Git R Dun!
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СообщениеAim_Deep#347413 мар. 2017 г., 22:30:24
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Aim_Deep написал:
Not really. You need big DPS or whole ground will be covered with permanent vortex's
So even if you're and elite mechanical player you will succumb
Well that's true,but hardly unfair.
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СообщениеKasapnica#241413 мар. 2017 г., 23:30:00
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Aim_Deep написал:
Not really. You need big DPS or whole ground will be covered with permanent vortex's
So even if you're and elite mechanical player you will succumb
Well that's true,but hardly unfair.
Looks like we have rather different definition of unfair then.
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СообщениеУдалено14 мар. 2017 г., 10:58:55
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Kasapnica написал:
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Aim_Deep написал:
Not really. You need big DPS or whole ground will be covered with permanent vortex's
So even if you're and elite mechanical player you will succumb
Well that's true,but hardly unfair.
Took a look at your profile.
You are a rather interesting POE player it seems. You made only three characters and they are all fully geared and popular melee classes.
Did you actually beat Shaper with them? That would be some impressive skill.
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СообщениеУдалено14 мар. 2017 г., 11:28:24
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Pretty fair. Has a really good drop, and the only real test is DPS. Execution of the fight is easy least once you have 150k-200k DPS. Less than that and you probably couldn't kill any of the gaurdians anyway. And especially not with hard mods on the map. I find atziri much more mechanically challenging and a bit less fair than shaper honestly.
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Of course its not fair, you have a human brain
that puts the odds in your favor right there
I dont see any any key!
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Сообщениеk1rage#570114 мар. 2017 г., 12:38:57
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Deadpeng написал:
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Kasapnica написал:
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Aim_Deep написал:
Not really. You need big DPS or whole ground will be covered with permanent vortex's
So even if you're and elite mechanical player you will succumb
Well that's true,but hardly unfair.
Took a look at your profile.
You are a rather interesting POE player it seems. You made only three characters and they are all fully geared and popular melee classes.
Did you actually beat Shaper with them? That would be some impressive skill.
I tend to delete what im not happy with.
The Mjolner Jugg one was before the shaper,so no idea.
The Slayer is your average EQ build,and did the shaper fairly easy.
The Berserker,is something i came up with when i saw the new cleave jewel,it in fact turned out to be extremely powerful,and yes it facerolls everything,though im not sure that build is popular,maybe i should make a guide.
Anyway,i stand by my opinion that after few more attempts you will see that the fight isn't really unfair. Ofcourse there are few bad RNG moments that may happen but still. And in the end,the items he drops should require some build/gear checks as well.
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СообщениеKasapnica#241414 мар. 2017 г., 13:13:16
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_Saranghaeyo_ написал:
Fight is not unfair. Also Peng don't you have a Mirrored Dagger and high end gear LOL how are you not ending phases in a few seconds. Why call for Shaper nerfs when this is like Atziri, learn to use brain and the fight is pretty easy. Easier than Uber even, hell he announces everything.
Don't let the pools get in the safe zone with Zana.
"Gaze into the Abyss" >>> Pew Pew Pew
"Embrace my misery" >>> prep you movement skill
"Ultimate Chaos" >>> Run and hang out with Zana
That's ALL he does. The only time it sucked was in friend phase when the clone killed Zana :P
Surprisingly my gears are dealing lesser damage than dual HOWA and dual Scourge. If I cheese Shaper with the two insane claws I will probably have a much easier time.
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