How can we fix Hierophant?
" Well in difference to Incinerate you achieve stages on an enemy, which means he gets to stage 8 pretty quickly, so you are almost instantly on 8 stages anyway. For pure selfcast Increased Duration might be good on bosses that require a lot of mobility, but those aren't too common, exspecially since you can often easily do one Shieldcharge and Channel again. But as soon as there is one Scorching Ray Totem that keeps up the stages on the enemy Duration is pretty much a non-issue. " The thing is, due to the templer already having 50% reduced mana costs this is basically a non issue. If you go CI and have GR+VP you might even have a permanent 100% reduction due to having always full ES except with DoTs. He has enough mana benefits, and while it would go nicely with MoM it isn't a really good defense right now. Just picking CI on an Occultist, Elementalist or Inquisitor is likely better in every situation, because CI gives them the defense they need and their trees offer better damage. |
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" These two points highlight the disparity between Hierophant and other Ascendancies even more. Inquisitor can go with a single spell totem and have vastly higher damage in trash clearing and in boss fights. Can also pick up MoM with a 10% loss in damage taken from mana. As for uber lab farming, ANY build capable of building endurance charges and CWDT->Immortal Call is capable of it. It's literally a matter of slapping on Enduring Cry. Also, I note you haven't stopped talking down to people. Последняя редакция: Tsokushin#2435. Время: 18 дек. 2016 г., 22:12:36
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Having 45% MoM ws 30% and then having perma IC ws Enduring cry and similar statments is just funy to take serious. Also having certain high end items with Hierophant can make it to levels other builds just go no utility or sinergy to achive. You cant observe Hierophant and keep binde eye on game mechanics and items sinergy, end game Hierophant is not easy but is way stronger and balanced in offence and defence. Uber lab farming is funy for even awrage build Herophant, hell it face tanked T16 trio, duble Voll and what not, uber lab is joke compered to 6 mod high tier maps. You can DPS/Vaal Packt to certain point and abuse top tier items, Hierophant can do most of that with outh of them, but when you do use them then its obvious how superior it is. Hierophant is easy start up build or incredible end end game, if you can not see that you need to explore game mechanics more before understanding his potencial. |
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" Yeah because honestly CI makes both kinda a waste. " I would like to see those... levels. Nobody seems to be able to see them and while even Ascendants do show up in the ladder from time to time, mostly as Chaos Casters or with Whispering Ice, but Hierophant... nope. Inquisitor is just straight out better for any elemental skill that actually hits. So Scorching Ray is likely the only one instance were Elementalist and Inquisitor can't score because Scorching Ray doesn't hit, so Penetration has no value. But the 25% Penetration on an elementalist can easily be 100% more damage on high maps which frequently roll high resistances and many bosses have high enough resistances that even if you could skill the whole Hierophant Tree those 4 Nodes you have to skill to get Penetration as Elementalist would be better as the whole Hierophant Tree. |
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" funny.. your lvl 91 inquisitor havent yet completed Uber Lab. why? this is another area you - as you have little to no personal experience - should not talk about few tips: - izaro is mostly phys but the goddess projectiles are fire. they HURT - N-2 out of his buffs are elemental. Immortal Call (manual, because cwdt+ic is noob trap for new players) protects from phys damage ONLY - if you have to spend your time casting EC (that has a cooldown), IC (that lasts really not that long with few charges) AND kill the adds before they 'complete' AND then kill the Izaro then i can only tell that you are already dead entering the fight - there is a world of difference between 'completing' the Uber Lab and killing the angry Izaro with 2 buffs while watching TV. i tweak my characters as long as i can safely attempt 2buff izaro (not speed kill him because this is yet another story) but kill in reasonable time with significant reliability |
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I really like Hierophant I don't think its really that bad, you get 3 pseudo 5-links for free, it saves a large number of utility points as you don't require mana nodes / get free ES, or you can have a totem wall with a nice safety blanket.
Offensively you really don't get that much but comparing it to inquisitor is dumb I really don't think any single ascendancy talent is as strong as ignore resists on crit, it saves you curses pen nodes and pen gems, gives you very consistent scaling and due to the way crit is handled in this game its relatively easy to achieve near 100% crit. maybe the poison/bleed do 100% more damage node for Assassin but there really aren't many and almost every ascendancy looks bad when you compare it to the very best nodes :p Its never gonna show up high on the ladder because it isn't a fast play style its defensive and safe which aren't really that valuable for hitting 100 as fast as possible, the ones that do want that just abuse pizza-stick or things of that variety (which you only need 2 totems for really so any ascendancy works) Последняя редакция: Draegnarrr#2823. Время: 19 дек. 2016 г., 10:41:33
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" Because the league was ending and I couldn't be bothered to do so. Has it not occurred to you that people can have multiple accounts or play on a friend's account? You keep going on about experience yet I've already seen it. Few tips -You bring a staunching flask to Atziri. You can bring a ruby flask to izaro. Or just leech. -Only on certain days. Low level Immortal Call+CWDT is actually very good if you can build the endurance charges before IC is ready to cast again. - If you have low dps, why in the world aren't you building Endurance charges? What kind of build goes in with power/frenzy charges and bad dps? Builds you didn't have the currency for? Bad builds? -As opposed to spamming 4 totems and kiting izaro? You could simply place down 1 spell totem, cast EC and go to town. Btw, more adds=more enduring charges on EC. -There is a world of difference between killing Izaro while watching TV in 5 minutes and bursting him down in under 1 minute. Anything worth doing is worth doing efficiently. |
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" try it, click the resurrect button and report what killed you, mkay? any experienced player knows by the wall of 'advice' you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. NOT A SINGLE CLUE. go do yourself a favour and accept for a moment you have not enough knowledge about this thing. only after that you can get better. i loled at your 'veiled suggestion' that i cannot afford a good build.. really? |
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" This right here is pretty much the point I'm trying to drive home. With a modest loss in MoM potential, a loss in mana efficiency which can be made up in leech, and pseudo-5 links which may or may not be helpful depending on the skill, any Cast/crit/elemental builds are just far better with other Ascendancies. There's the argument of "you can cast and deal damage with your own spells!" in the totem build, but consider flat out higher dps potential in other trees that can do even more dps with a single spell totem, and that argument falls apart. " It's a question of does that utility far outweigh the benefits of other trees? If it's a matter of party utility, a full aura Guardian or Necromancer build are very powerful. If it's a matter of Defense, Juggernaughts and Gladiator's/Champion or any kind of CI build are arguably king in this regard. There's no question that the Hierophant falls behind in damage. But in terms of simple utility, the Hierophant lacks any sort of "wow" or definitive presence other than a sketchy totem path. Utilizing it as an offense, you would see that other Ascendancies can do far better with either Ancestral bond, or self cast+spell totem. |
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" You keep going on about I haven't got a clue, but I addressed your points. So, beyond your "NO TRUE EXPERIENCED USER" rants, here's the undisputed true facts.   These are all your TRUE EXPERIENCED USERS that actually put their poe knowledge to the test and climb ladders. Some of these people actually do this for a living by streaming. A small fraction of a fraction actually play Hierophant. Why is that? Is it because they're all noobs? Do you just know everything that they don't? Or is it the fact that everybody knows that anything the Hierophant does, any number of other Ascendancies can do better? |
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